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1.India successfully launches first mission to the Moon (bbc.co.uk)
75 points by henning on Oct 22, 2008 | 64 comments
2.Ask HN: What if I don't have an idea?
75 points by bretthoerner on Oct 22, 2008 | 90 comments

What an obnoxious attitude.

"They want to be treated like colleagues rather than subordinates"

"They would renege on a job-acceptance commitment if a better offer came along."

"Millennials also expect ... time for their family and personal interests."

None of that sounds like a sense of entitlement to me. This is the third or fourth article I've seen on this meme. Are corporate managers really that outraged that people in their 20s want to be treated like human beings?


The great thing about Slicehost was the size. They were big enough to be reliable but small enough to give a shit when you had a question on #slicehost on freenode.

PickledOnion's posts on the Slicehost articles page were top notch. I hope the quality continues.

It got to the point that I'd only recommend Slicehost, after a few bad experiences with media temple and the like.

DON'T FUCK IT UP, RACKSPACE.

5.Everything you know about CSS is Wrong - The changes tables layout will bring (digital-web.com)
56 points by jwilliams on Oct 22, 2008 | 46 comments
6.Rackspace acquires Jungledisk (jungledisk.com)
54 points by azsromej on Oct 22, 2008 | 12 comments

I wouldn't say talent is overrated. I'd say hard work is underrated; talent is misunderstood. Luck is also underrated. Wealth is overrated.
8.The 'Trophy Kids' Go to Work (wsj.com)
43 points by nickb on Oct 22, 2008 | 62 comments
9.An old OS idea is new again: non-installation (rebol.com)
41 points by bdfh42 on Oct 22, 2008 | 26 comments
10.3 reasons to switch to git (markmcb.com)
40 points by jwilliams on Oct 22, 2008 | 37 comments
11.GitHub Helped Train Google in Git (github.com/blog)
38 points by schacon on Oct 22, 2008 | 11 comments
12.Google Analytics Gets a Major Ugrade (AdSense, Custom Reports, API, Bubble Charts) (techcrunch.com)
38 points by qhoxie on Oct 22, 2008 | 11 comments

I couldn't help but notice the discrepancies between the article and reality:

Bill Gates, the world's richest human, is a more promising candidate for those who want to explain success through talent. He became fascinated by computers as a kid and says he wrote his first piece of software at age 13; it was a program that played ticktacktoe. The problem is that nothing in his story suggests extraordinary abilities.

From wikipedia:

"Gates graduated from Lakeside School in 1973. He scored 1590 out of 1600 on the Scholastic Aptitude Test[17] and subsequently enrolled at Harvard College in the fall of 1973.[18] Prior to the mid 1990s, an SAT score of 1590 was equivalent to an IQ of about 170 (roughly the one in a million level),[19] a figure that would frequently be cited by the press.[20]"

Source: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates

"This photo's from Lakeside High School, a private school that Paul Allen and I attended. Paul was two years ahead of me in school, looking here you might think he was about ten years older than I am...This particular room was very important cause this is where the first computer connection was created ...the mothers club funded that teletype this was when I was in eighth grade and first figuring out how to use the computer, and a bunch of kids came down and were fascinated but the two who really stuck to it the most were Paul and I. In fact, people thought it was strange that Paul kept talking to a kid who was two years younger than him, but I had won this nationwide math contest and so Paul knew I thought I could figure stuff out and he kept challenging me saying hey can you understand this or you know can you figure out how to do that and so he and I became very close friends and that led directly to the creation of Microsoft only about five years later."

Microsoft without Gates, as narrated by Bill Gates.

Source: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/storysupplement/gates...

From an interview with Playboy in the early nineties: GATES: I was 11. But he was an enlightened guy. He was always challenging me. He would ask me questions, but he would never tell me whether my answer was right or not. He would say, That's an OK answer. Then our time would always be up and he'd give me more stuff to read.

PLAYBOY: Ever wonder what might have become of you if you had gone to public school instead of Lakeside, where you met Paul Allen and fell in love with computers?

GATES: I'd be a better street fighter.

PLAYBOY: When did you know you had something special to offer? When did you become aware you were different?

GATES: [Big raspberry] I have something special to offer, Mom! Mom, I just figured it out: I have something special to offer! So don't make me eat my beans.

PLAYBOY: You know what we mean.

GATES: When I was young we used to read books over the summer and get little colored bookmarks for each one. There were girls who had read maybe 15 books. I'd read 30. Numbers two through 99 were all girls, and there I was at number one. I thought, Well, this is weird, this is very strange. I also liked taking tests. I happened to be good at it. Certain subjects came easily, like math. All the science stuff. I would just read the textbooks in the first few days of class.

http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Bill.Gates.html

I recommend CNN learn to use google.

14.Derek Powazek: Pixish Closing 10/31 (What He Learned About Community, User Generated Content, and Launching) (powazek.com)
36 points by brm on Oct 22, 2008 | 11 comments
15.Insane "underwater" startup. (cnn.com)
35 points by noonespecial on Oct 22, 2008 | 34 comments
16.13 hours of Lisp (lispcast.com)
35 points by gps408 on Oct 22, 2008 | 5 comments

While I sure there are a lot of "entitled" feeling people entering the work force, and frankly some of the examples they provided are simply idiots, I think the article is really missing the point.

The employment field has changed dramatically. You are VERY unlikely to work at the same job in the same company until you retire. Companies aren't supplying reliable pension plans. Many hot fields aren't unionized (I'm not saying unions in their current US form are good, but it's a big shift from the work my grandparents were doing) so you have much less job protection (this in many ways is actually a good thing, imho). You're also often expected to work in excess of 40 hours per week. Many fields have common 50-60+ hour work weeks, on the same salary. In short, companies are giving less, are less loyal, and are asking for more.

At the same time, in many new job fields, it's been discovered that you can work smarter, not longer. It's been proven that flex-time, working from home, lax dress codes, etc... don't always hurt productivity and success. In many cases it improves it.

It's not that I feel entitled to anything special. It's just that I've made a choice to not spend 60 hours/week wearing a suit in a grey cube under fluorescent lights, filling out TPS reports (I did that for a few months, and quit). Thankfully the employment field has supported my choice.

A lot of the requests make sense:

Waiting 6-12 months to get feedback on how you're doing at your job (as perceived by your boss and coworkers) is silly. Short iterations improve quality.

Having to dress a certain way if you don't interact with clients who are expecting a suit, is a waste of money and makes many people uncomfortable physically or with their appearance.

If listening to music while you work makes you happier and/or more productive, it would be foolish not to. If it (or anything else) makes you less productive then that's something for your boss to deal with you individually on.

"They want to be treated like colleagues rather than subordinates". Really? Who wants to be treated like a subordinate? I mean honestly, who WANTS that? If you don't have mutual respect with people you spend 40+ hours/week with, why would you want to be there?

18.Posterous launches easy post tagging via email (blog.posterous.com)
34 points by a4agarwal on Oct 22, 2008 | 12 comments

I disagree, more or less completely. The semantics of HTML matter to the following:

    1. Browsers which render the HTML
    2. Machines, such as search engines, which "look" at it
    3. People who edit the HTML (in the case that it is a 
       template)
Whether your HTML is semantically correct, or even stylistically valid, doesn't much matter to modern browsers because they've been designed under the assumption that most people will be too lazy or inept or uncaring to generate "proper" HTML. Obviously, this issue doesn't exist for compilers, where in the case that a compiler doesn't output proper machine code the program simply doesn't work.

When this starts to matter, however, is when someone leaves the comfort of their Firefox 3 on a huge screen and goes to Safari on a iPhone, for instance. Hacker News, for example, does not scale properly on the iPhone which leads to unnecessary and annoying horizontal scrolling past a certain nesting level, among other issues. This is tied to semantics, though whether or not a font element is used doesn't matter -- what does cause this, however, is the ridiculous reliance on tables, which obviously aren't semantically proper since you're not displaying strictly tabular data.

What about these limited browsers, and "machines" like Google? If you want a sidebar on the left side of your page, with tables that has to come before the main content. Using proper CSS techniques (semantics of HTML withstanding), you can place this after the actual content. People with smaller browsers could view your main content before your navigation with minimal changes and crawlers such as Google will index your content more accurately because of the placement of content in the source document. Semantics come into the picture when elements are misused or not used, such as header elements. These elements do have meaning to search engines.

How about screen readers and other assistive devices? Many of these take context clues from the HTML, such as the type of element used to wrap content and its attributes, as a way to present pages more accurately to the user. Semantics matter a lot when it comes to accessibility. What about page size? The more tables you have on a page, the larger that page becomes to download. Perhaps Broadband is becoming ubiquitous in many places (as far as America goes, at least in somewhat urban areas), but that doesn't mean that it makes sense to waste time transferring bytes.

There are a slew of other applications where HTML semantics bleed out into the real world, such as Microformats and the like, but many of these applications haven't gained wide-spread traction so probably aren't worth adding to my argument.

The point being here is, semantics matter when whatever is "looking" at something cares about the semantics of it. Machine code is very simple: A machine looks at it and executes it based on strict rules. If a shift instruction is used, it's because that instruction will (assumedly) give some kind of performance benefit, not because the machine views it as having a different "meaning" from any other multiplication method. The fact that you can achieve the same thing with a table as you can with a div or paragraph tag doesn't mean it's correct to do so. If everything was meant to work properly and to its full potential as a table-based element, why have all these other silly layout elements?

So, at the end of the day, what do we "CSS Zealots" and semantic HTML proponents get ourselves? Well, we get more maintainable, easier to read, accessible, flexible, more accurately indexed web pages. And in my world (the world of skilled web developers) we all still edit our web pages by hand -- using templates that are just a thin layer of abstraction above web pages. The day you see a META tag that says "Generated by Dreamweaver" on TicketStumbler is the day Dreamweaver has managed to produce equally good or better HTML than I can by hand -- HTML which affords all the advantages and luxuries that the stuff I write does.

Edit: As a final note, I'd like to point out that there is a middle ground here. You can create generally "good" HTML without spending a day deciding what a class should be named. TS supports Microformats for events, but running it through an HTML validator would likely produce some menial errors. I'm not suggesting everyone put 10x the time into writing proper HTML and CSS to present it, I'm just suggesting that they put a little time into it -- for the sake of their site, their visitors, the search engines, and the sanity of web developers like me everywhere... if I have to write another XPath string that looks like /table/tr/td/table/tr/td/table/tbody/td[...] I am going to spit on somebody.

20.The Phone Company (daringfireball.net)
28 points by astrec on Oct 22, 2008 | 13 comments

My favorite part was about how "millennials" will move into entrepreneurship instead of working for people who don't respect them. Hope so!

Now I'm just waiting for GitHub to be acquired by SourceForge so another one of the companies I love doing business with can fall in the hands of one I'm trying to avoid like the plague.

In short, companies are giving less, are less loyal, and are asking for more.

This.

I'm a millenial I suppose. Born in 1982, and now solidly in the workforce. I watched my parents get screwed over time and time again by companies that demanded loyalty without reciprocation. I learned things like the fact that the best way to get a raise or promotion is to leave for another company, and received the admonition to remember that a company is not your friend. It does not have personal consideration.

I was taught that I have to take care of myself, and that nobody else will do that for me.

Loyalty, like trust, is a two-way street. It is hard to earn and easily lost.

24.Bill Gates' mysterious new company (techflash.com)
26 points by procyon on Oct 22, 2008 | 23 comments

I'm not sure about this article, I think we're getting trolled here.

Some of the quotes are questionable, but some of them seemed to sound like they came from larger "employees are people too" interviews. I don't think all of the people interviewed share the opinion of the author.

The "We keep treating them like crap but they keep LEAVING! What is going ON HERE?!?" temper tantrum is pretty bizarre. If you can legitimately hold that opinion and be an HR executive, it certainly implies to me that the problem has existed at least as long as that person has been in the business. Your feeling of entitlement isn't all that different from mine if you stand back a step.

If we're so dispensable give us another week off, what's it going to hurt? This is a pretty green field for any big company that would like to improve retention.

A fun business hack would be structuring a company so you could dial-a-salary: your salary assumes you work 95% of the year (2w PTO + 5 holidays), and you tell HR how much you actually want to work (down to say 80% of the year -- 9wk + 5 holidays, as a lower bound for benefits). I bet your retention would be invincible. Screw the money, I'd probably be at 85%.

26.GMail gets auto-replies (cnet.com)
24 points by ajbatac on Oct 22, 2008 | 9 comments
27.Maybe Yahoo Shouldn't Have Bought All This Sh*t (uncov.com)
25 points by twampss on Oct 22, 2008 | 16 comments

With the exception of some software, like behemoth Adobe installations, OS X already works this way.

It is common practice in OS X to unpack a zip or DMG file and then simply double click to run the application.

29.Bill Gates Has Started a New Company, bgC3 (readwriteweb.com)
22 points by qhoxie on Oct 22, 2008 | 6 comments
30.Sticky tape generates X-rays (nature.com)
21 points by bd on Oct 22, 2008 | 3 comments

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