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I'm guessing it ultimately comes down to the legal / financial / career incentives.

My impression is that the market currently rewards visible software functionality with little concern for invisible risk.

If we flipped the script, and investors were personally, criminally, and civilly liable for computer breaches, I imagine this problem would disappear almost overnight.


I'm at a defense contractor so the whole scene is alien to me. I don't really even get the desire to produce code more quickly since for us client verification and approval is always the slow part. Producing software more quickly would just make that problem worse.

I'm curious if LLMs would be useful for code understanding and for bug hunting in an environment like that.

Are there any good models for those tasks that can work in an air-gapped enclave?


We do have a phi4 installation in the compartment though it's separately compartmented from the rest of the network. It seems pretty good at doing call graphs. It's slower than ctags but can pull more context with it.

Forgive the tangent, but I'm just starting to learn about using AI for coding, and getting a safe sandbox is one of my next steps.

Any suggestions for a vm/container setup that works on a Linux host, provides the safety net you describe, and is still capable enough to try out all these things that people are talking about?


You can use devcontainers (in VSCode or separate), like this: https://github.com/entn-at/claude-rust-devcontainer/

This will limit the agent in what it can do in the system and what IPs/domains it can reach. This requires a lot of customization to your specific framework/environment. Note that this can reduce the agent’s effectiveness, as it will have to “work around” some of the limitations. This isn’t foolproof either, and the agent could exfiltrate data e.g. via DNS requests.


Easiest thing is to run your AI under a separate user identity, with its own home directory, and no sudo permission. Then it can't screw up your system or your own files.

The headline is pretty misleading.

Awesome project, regardless.


I realize that I'm not a person in your real life, but FYI I'm concerned about the telemetry in my car.

(Just stating this as a data point for you.)


> Yeah, and ultimately no body cares.

I assume you're using hyperbole.

Some of us are very aware and concerned about the risk. But like Cassandra from Greek mythology, we see the coming disaster and feel powerless to stop it.


Well yeah but if you don't have some critical mass which is very vocal/influential, at the end 'nobody cares enough'.

It's kid slang for "original", apparently.

It's been around long enough to have gained cromulence, I think.

I started using "OG" ~16 years ago to disambiguate the Motorola Droid that I had (which was the first Android phone available from Verizon) from the Droid 2, 3, and 4 that came later.

"OG Motorola Droid" has specificity, while "Motorola Droid 1" is something that never existed.

Anyway, my usage is old enough to drive a car. :)


That was my first reading but "original generation" and 2020 don't go well together.

Yeah but 10 years late to be described as the original. That said, my parents got rid of their actual OG iPad only 2-3 years ago (did not hold a charge for a long time, finally decided it was time to get one that did).

50 year old kids

first gained general use in ~1991, so 35 years ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/OG

are these "kids" also in the young republicans group chat?


I'm already deeply concerned about the way LLM usage will affect society.

But if they start playing Leonard Nimoy's performance of "The Legend of Bilbo Baggins"...


IANAL, but wouldn't this LLM behavior be more akin to a human re-publishing an entire book to some third party, in exchange for money?

The whole world would not be possible without people re-publishing parts of books to some third party in exchange for money.

Think textbooks. Laws. Medicine.

What's the difference? The size of quotation? The exact wording? Surely re-publishing an entire book word for word is piracy. What if I rewrite the whole book slightly? What if I publish just a part? A rewritten part?

Where do we draw the line with humans and why should the line be different with LLMs?

(I don't have answers to those questions)


Your questions would be quickly answered by looking at the relevant style guides. Any university will also have webpage about citations: APA, Chicago, MLA, etc.

You may have a valid technical point.

If you find a friendlier way to phrase it, you may find more people willing to discuss it.


That may have been a bad reaction. Ask your doctor is KDE is right for you!

I switched to xfce since, much better

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