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We heard you're planning to migrate away from Oracle. We understand, but unfortunately, that means we have to get rid of the 75% discount we gave you, so we'll make a decade of revenue in the two years it'll take you to get rid of us. Still planning to migrate away?

Yeah, lots of corporate backend code is Java, and Java is a great choice for backend/server code. I've never seen Oracle anywhere, though, not in banks and not in governments. I've mostly seen Postgres and MSSQL and some MongoDB.

I've been working in Wall St. banks for the past 30 years, and I've never used an Oracle database. The investment banks were all Sybase shops in the 90's, and a bunch of them still are. In my experience those that do move are most likely to go to SQL Server, since its Sybase roots make the transition a little easier.

When something has been there for 20+ years switching costs are big.


I work for a pretty big one and we’ve got an exacc or twelve.

Regulatory thing for us, some workloads need production support for the data tier for various boring legal and compliance reasons, so our choices are kida limited to oracle and, these days, mongo, who have made massive inroads to enterprise in the last couple years.

Personally, I prefer Mongo.


> there's a lot of people on Earth who would happily take any tradeoff for that

That's not reassuring, though. And it isn't just about them.


I mean, we can probably predict what will happen based on existing data.

"I've seen things up there that are huge, absolutely huge. And let me tell you, astronauts, they came up to me, they were crying, big men crying. Earth, it's a good name, but it's not big enough, not grand enough. So, I'm thinking we rename it. How about 'The Trump Sphere'? It's got a nice ring to it, doesn't it? And let me tell you, nobody would argue with that name!"


It's just engagement farming. On Reddit's anti-LLM subreddits, lots of posts are LLM-generated slop railing against LLM-generated slop. It's LLMs all the way down now.

If everybody stopped training models today and Anthropic and OpenAI were deleted from the universe, I'd be happy to just keep using GLM-5 at its current inference cost. The article's author assumes that there will be a point where we will no longer have access to good models at reasonable cost because current models are subsidized, but GLM-5 disproves that.

Yeah, I agree. The first point depends on the second: skill atrophy is only an issue if you expect that coding LLMs will essentially disappear or become much more expensive. But they won't. There are companies offering GLM-5 at a profit, and it's affordable, and a great model.

The third point is moot if you run agents in a container and review their code, which you can and should do.

The fourth point is real, but the chance of it actually ending up harming people who use LLMs to write code is IMO remote.


I tried running multiple agents concurrently, but it is exhausting. My brain feels completely murdered and unhappy at the end of the day. I can do two, and keep both contexts active in my head, but not more than that. And even that feels stressful.

I agree that it is very exhausting

Yeah, this anger is entirely misplaced. I don't think this woman is happy to have to enforce this idiotic law and listen to angry people all day long. It's the politicians that people like us elected because they promised to cut wasteful spending, so now blind people have to prove they're still blind once a year. We did that to them.

It's probably not actually politicians in this case. It is highly unlikely that "no PDFs as proof of disability" is written in any law anywhere. It's almost certainly a policy developed by the agency at hand, by career government employees, not elected officials or political appointees.

And it's probably for a dumb reason, like the IT department doesn't want to deal with security issues around email attachments, or doesn't want to build and maintain a web-based portal where people can upload their documents.


> Yeah, this anger is entirely misplaced. I don't think this woman is happy to have to enforce this idiotic law and listen to angry people all day long

I'm not sure I agree. From a shallow perspective it seems true, but in my experience bureaucrats fall into a position they enjoy. They often seem to take a perverse pride in this job - and it is a job that they, at one point, chose.

> It's the politicians that people like us elected because they promised to cut wasteful spending

If you're blaming us so tenuously, then I definitely don't agree with taking the blame away from the bureaucrats


"From a shallow perspective it seems true, but in my experience bureaucrats fall into a position they enjoy"

I worked in a call center when I was studying because it was the only job I could get. Nobody there enjoyed it. Everyone did it because they had no other choice.

It's funny, though. In another thread, somebody pointed out that they wouldn't hire a former engineer of a company like Kalshi, Google, or Amazon, and people were quick to defend these people. What if you couldn't get a job anywhere else? I have a lot more sympathy for a government employee who has to answer calls from angry people than an engineer at Kalshi, because the latter likely has a lot more options than the former.

"If you're blaming us so tenuously"

Do you disagree that this person followed the law, and that politicians enacted those laws, and that we voted for these politicians?


A couple of years ago I changed the address on my car but didn't receive the documentation and didn't realise for a few months. Then I realised the tax was due and I hadn't had a reminder or this paperwork - one of which is needed to tax it.

I phoned them and they said I need to pay for the new documentation because I had a time limit to report it undelivered. Fine, that's my fault, but I need to tax it now otherwise I'll get fined, and I have no way to do it. I asked her how to do it and she said there is "no way" she can tax it over the phone I need to wait for the documentation. I told her I'll get fined and she said there is no way to tax it over the phone unless I have the VIN number which I won't have. Sorry, there's nothing she can do.

I told her I actually have the VIN number to hand, does she want me to read it for her? Suddenly she didn't need it and just needed card details. The impossible bureaucratic process was suddenly gone now. She just hadn't wanted to help.

Was this woman just following the law? Was it the fault of the politicians? Me, as a voter? She had no other choice than refusing to help?


"Was this woman just following the law?"

I don't know what the law is, so I don't know if she was.

"Was it the fault of the politicians? Me, as a voter? She had no other choice than refusing to help?"

Based on my experience, I'll guess that her office was understaffed and she was overworked, and her performance was judged on how quickly she ends calls.

Dunno if that's your fault. Who do you vote for? People who promise to cut budgets and taxes? Then yes, it was partly your fault.


> Do you disagree that this person followed the law, and that politicians enacted those laws, and that we voted for these politicians?

This is the definition of brainwashing. You had a false choice between person A and person B who are mostly the same some 4 years ago, and now _you_ are responsible for every stupid policy they enact.


> in my experience bureaucrats fall into a position they enjoy.

What possible kind of 'experience' could you have to judge such a thing, save for personal preconceptions and biases?


The only experience I can have is personal. In my experience of dealing with and working with them, only those that I've had experience with.

I've worked in a variety of places. Public sector, banks, places with higher and lower levels of bureaucracy. As everyone else, I've also been on the receiving end of dealing with bureaucracy. There seems to be a big divide in how long people have been working at places like that - up to 1-2 years, or 20+ years, and a big difference in the type of people in those two groups.

Assuming that it's a preconception and not observed is a bizarre assumption.


> The only experience I can have is personal.

Right, and the point was that personal observations and impressions are a really poor way to judge the internal thoughts, feelings and motivations of random strangers. I.e. that nobody could possibly come to this determination in any robust way.

Moreover, it's exactly the kind of conclusion that suffers from common biases, and that we should be inherently skeptical of.


"Assuming that it's a preconception and not observed is a bizarre assumption."

It's really not, it's basic psychology. People rarely change their opinions based on evidence.

Having said that, in 50 years on this planet and countless interactions with government employees, I haven't had a single bad one. I do try to be kind and accommodating because I know their jobs are often shit and they have to deal with asshats all day long, and maybe that has an impact on how they treat me.


Nobody enjoys working in a call centre

I enjoyed it, although it was not an ISP call center with humongous amount of callers... Maybe 50 percent of the time in the office you were talking

This is a bit of a strawman. Not all customer facing roles are call centres, and not all bureaucracy actually comes from above.

I'll give you an example. A couple of years ago I changed the address on my car but didn't receive the documentation and didn't realise for a few months. Then I realised the tax was due and I hadn't had a reminder or this paperwork - one of which is needed to tax it.

I phoned them and they said I need to pay for the new documentation because I had a time limit to report it undelivered. Fine, that's my fault, but I need to tax it now otherwise I'll get fined, and I have no way to do it. I asked her how to do it and she said there is "no way" she can tax it over the phone I need to wait for the documentation. I told her I'll get fined and she said there is no way to tax it over the phone unless I have the VIN number which I won't have. Sorry, there's nothing she can do.

I told her I actually have the VIN number to hand, does she want me to read it for her? Suddenly she didn't need it and just needed card details. The impossible bureaucratic process was suddenly gone now. She just hadn't wanted to help.

I'm baffled that people in this thread are acting like almost everyone hasn't had a similar experience at one time or another.


> I'm baffled that people in this thread are acting like almost everyone hasn't had a similar experience at one time or another.

Nobody is saying that. Government employees have bad days, too, and some are probably just assholes. That's a far cry from saying malicious stuff like "bureaucrats fall into a position they enjoy. They often seem to take a perverse pride in this job."


> I don't think this woman is happy to have to enforce this idiotic law

But this is exactly what she chooses to do every morning.


Needing a job to survive in our money based society is not the same as being happy about that job.

Everything is a slippery slope to somewhere. That doesn't mean you can't draw lines.

Doesn't mean it is wise to do so either. I promise you, 5 lines of your political beliefs and I can make you look like a hypocritical and ignorant a55hole to the world. And I can do so purely with data and various ethical guidelines.

I doubt you have though through most of your "beliefs" or learned of the policy consequences of many of your political positions. If you had, you wouldn't be such an absolutist. You still think you should be judge, jury and executioner over others? What are you, 6?

PS Your type of absolutist moralism has been the basis for most of humanities worst atrocities, stop it...you aren't more moral than other people.


I have no idea who you think you're responding to, but it's not me. Also, your angry tone won't convince anyone.

ok, what's buying milk at a corner shop a slippery slope to?

The extermination and/or enslavement of all mammals.

Oh, so the slope doesn't need to be plausible?

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