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Most of people here has no any experience of fighting against even a soft authoritarian regime. You just don't have a clue how it looks like where the police officers beat you in the chamber in the night and you are screaming and nobody help you, they torture you putting a bottle in your anus and smashing your teeth. It's completely immoral to blame people they are fighting not enough, you don't know NOTHING about it.


My sympathies, these are hard times and there are very few absolutes. I really hope that at least someone in a position to make a difference will do so and soon because the clock is running out for lots of people if that doesn't happen.

Note that you are closer to the point of origin so people will automatically assume that you have more agency than they do. Some people in Russia are already taking action, depending on how many will stand with them they may succeed, there is ultimately safety in numbers, you can't jail a whole country.


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>whether you live in a pretend democracy like Russia or the USA

Thanks, I've always maintained that there are no real democracies. Democracy is typically a sophisticated form of dictatorship. They are sophisticated enough that most people believe they have 'rights' and so on.


Of course democracy is a dictatorship. If it's working well it's a dictatorship by the majority of citizens.

If you aren't in the majority democracy could be not so rosy, but from a utilitarian point of view is far better than dictatorship by the kleptocracy. A kleptocracy is what Russia / N.Korea and meany 3rd world countries have.

But the West isn't either of those. People in the West tend to manage themselves using a democractic dictatorship whose dictators have decided to ceed a great deal of their powers to laws and judges. Mostly that power is about adjudicating property disputes, because the power they ceed is mostly the ability to seize property and labour. In a capitalist economy those things are exchanged freely between individuals so the democratic dictators get almost no say. This system is occasionally called "rule of law".

Capitalism has its failure modes too - a total monopoly is a dictatorship, a dictatorship of far fewer than a democracy or your average kleptocracy. So the West is a democracy that manages a capitalist economy, steering it away from that failure mode.

I'd say that's the best system mankind has invented so far. I expect China would disagree. They have a different different sort of system that manages a capitalist economy. While I think they are wrong which one is best, it's probably fair to say the jury is still out.


Think of it as a continuum and it starts to be more tractable.


I think every adult knows that there are limits to what you can do in any country.


I can imagine Putin saying that to the Ukranians.


Those missiles that are killing 6 year old girls aren't building themselves and paying for themselves. I respect that it's tough, but you have to respect this company's right to do the things you can't or aren't willing to do.


Did you hear about the starving children in Yemen? Or they don't count because not European or "white?"


Whataboutism and cheating at the Olympics. You could tell me the year is 1982.


Right, which is exactly why companies / other nations / etc are having to step in to stop the Russian regime, because clearly the Russian people can't / won't.


I mean, nobody does, right? We’re all quite comfortable enough even with a regime in charge. Not much to be gained by the individual if they keep putting their head on the block.


I live in Ukraine, I was on Maidan in 2014. So I know how it is.

Russians on the other hand don't. The are constantly afraid while in Ukraine we are ready to risk lives for freedom and democracy.


Good @Russian, I wish nothing but peace for Russians and Ukrainians. We must stand together against our autocratic profit and war-driven regimes. Especially here in the US.


I believe we should start a group lawsuit against Namecheap in US courts. The damage they will make will be much, MUCH greater than a domain name renewal cost. We didn't violate a single point of the agreement and nobody of us is in US SDN list. This specific company think it can fuck a contract just because they want and we should stop this. Internet is a territory of freedom where we do not sort people.


We have every right to choose who we do or don't do business with. We are a private company and are protected as such. If you need more time to move away, reach out.


How do you think this will affect trust of your customers?

Not flaming, genuine question. Not Russian here though as a paying (and recommending) customer for Namecheap I can't think of the fact that someday I might be falling into a specific identity (nationality or otherwise) that Namecheap might suddenly stop doing business with even if I share the same views with NC, losing me at least hours and money for moving out of NC.


I can only comment for myself, but as a long time NC customer, this action and the behavior of the CEO in this thread has seriously damaged my ability to trust in the brand. The only redeeming bit of trust remaining is that they are too self-interested to discard US consumers this way since the US market is too lucrative, despite any deeply untoward behaviors the US government has done in the past / continues to do.


I don't see why this action would affect your decision. Factoring in the risk that a business might suddenly stop wanting to interact with you has _always_ been part of the calculus.

Private businesses are free to choose who they do business with. Getting randomly cut off has always been a possibility.


> I don't see why this action would affect your decision. Factoring in the risk that a business might suddenly stop wanting to interact with you has _always_ been part of the calculus.

Because seeing this actually play out means that everyone should update their priors about how probable those risks are? Getting randomly cut off has always been a possibility, but the probability in everyone's priors just went way up.


Not really? If you were operating in a country that has been rather openly hostile to the west and Ukraine, and you were relying on a company that was based in the west and had many Ukrainian employees, and you didn't have a contingency plan for things heating up between those countries, you weren't paying attention.

This isn't a random cutoff. This is being cut off because the country you operate in is engaging in open hostilities against another country. That should be an entirely expected and planned for scenario when hostilities are growing.


I don't know how to respond to this because you are responding to the particulars of this decision (which aren't relevant to people that don't live in Russia) without looking at what it represents.

NC's willingness to do this in this case means that everyone needs to update their priors about when else they might do something similar. When people have been historically principled about something but take an allegedly one time stance against the principle, you update your priors. I don't know what else to tell you lol.

> This is being cut off because the country you operate in is engaging in open hostilities against another country.

Why do you think I live/operate a business in Russia lol. Literally nothing I have said or done in this thread suggests that.


> NC's willingness to do this in this case means that everyone needs to update their priors about when else they might do something similar. When people have been historically principled about something but take an allegedly one time stance against the principle, you update your priors. I don't know what else to tell you lol.

My point is you wouldn't need to update anything if you had properly done your risk assessment beforehand and planned for it. Should you have planned for Ukraine and Russia going to war and this causing your business to get cut off? No, not specifically that. Should you have planned for your business potentially needing to move to a different provider on short notice? Absolutely.

> Why do you think I live/operate a business in Russia lol. Literally nothing I have said or done in this thread suggests that.

"If you were operating..."

It's a rhetorical you.


> That should be an entirely expected

So now in addition to all things I need to consider using a service from $SOMECOMPANY I should also:

check where is their registration (simple)

check where is their main office is located (not that easy)

check where is their support located (how the hell I could know)

check anything else which could be a thing two weeks later?

Do YOU knew where Namecheap hires their support?


You are wrong. You can decline to renew a contract but you can't just drop an active one without consequences. We will teach you to respect the law and contracts.


But, you had a contractual agreement with them.


And every contract not written by a ten year old has a termination clause.

It's one of the most important parts of the contract; you should always make a point of reading it thoroughly even if you skim some of the rest.


You mean this part from https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreeme... ?

>Namecheap Rights. We may reject your domain name registration application or elect to discontinue providing Service(s) to you for any reason within 30 days of a Service initiation or a Service renewal. Outside of this period, we may terminate or suspend the Service(s) at any time for cause, which, without limitation, includes registration of prohibited domain name(s), abuse of the Services, payment irregularities, material allegations of illegal conduct, or if your use of the Services involves us in a violation of any Internet Service Provider's ("ISP's") acceptable use policies, including the transmission of unsolicited bulk email in violation of the law.

I fail to see where it includes how Namecheap reacted.


The other important parts are section 2, "Changes to agreement" and section 29, "Governing law and jurisdiction for disputes".

One option is that Namecheap considers this a termination "for cause" (because they no longer want to do business in Russia). If you disagree that that is a valid cause, you agree to resolve the matter in the Arizona, without the use of a jury trial (section 29).

Another option is that they consider this a "change of agreement" "in response to changes in the requirements of governments and administrative bodies, legislation and changes in the nature of industry"; in that case, "your exclusive remedy is to transfer your domain name registration services to another registrar".


Do it, its a good time as any to remind people that “using their platform” is a two way street


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