Even with IPv6 you still might have stateful firewalls allowing only for outbound connection at both ends (e.g. a CPE a.k.a. “WiFi router”) and to establish communication you’d need to punch a hole in those firewalls.
IPv6 still allows proper NAT (prefix translation), but even then finding your global address wouldn’t need TURN, just STUN, actually not even that, just a service like “What’s My IP.”
It does allow it in the sense that it's possible, and even useful in some scenarios, but then you're on a weird experimental network and not a normal one.
That's how it works in ipv6. If your network doesn't give you an address, it's broken. We do not assume unfiltered since we are talking about hole punching.
I thought TURN was for symmetrical PAT, not for proper NAT (which just needs STUN for address determination) or full/restricted cone PATs (which need STUN for address and port determination, and then, in case of restricted cone, performs a hole punch).
Standard-conforming IPv6 at most allows prefix translation (i.e., proper NAT, not PAT), which wouldn’t need it.
> just like almost all transportation is done today via cars instead of horses.
That sounds very Usanian. In the meantime transportation in around me is done on foot, bicycle, bus, tram, metro, train and cars. There are good use cases for each method including the car. If you really want to use an automotive analogy, then sure, LLMs can be like cars. I've seen cities made for cars instead of humans, and they are a horrible place to live.
Signed, a person who totally gets good results from coding with LLMs. Sometimes, maybe even often.
just a few hours ago we found a pretty nice residential desktop use case for proper v6 (with prefix delegation), due to no need for NAT the old router (2013) became less of a bottleneck!
Making my web resources IPv6-only has solved the problem for me. I don’t consider this a solution for ever, but for now it’s apparently way too modern or complicated for the A-so-called-I companies.
In my experience managing a number of IPv6-only sites for clients, they still get crawled and abused, and this goes back years. If anything, it has gotten worse now with all the LLM/AI nonsense.
Is this another incarnation of Sofort? Fortunately nobody is forced to used the former nor the later, you can either pay with card or just make your own SEPA transfer from any bank in Europe.
At least in Lithuania the "nobody is forced to used" is partly true. Sometimes in checkout flow you get links to big-5 banks and thats it, even tho technically entire SEPA should be ok.
The OpenBSD NAT and scrub syntax, and af-to are available in FreeBSD 15.
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