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I design and conduct space missions, and I'm an experienced professional pilot. The answer to your question is "never."

Any system that requires perfect performance from any one human will fail.


We do have that on the ground. The truck wasn't participating.

This is my field and the amount of extremely confident nonsense I've read on here in the last 24 hours is going to put me in the cardiac ICU.

You're still using outdated bio-hearts? Wouldn't it be better to just use a cronjob on a server-controlled heart?

There is one. It's called ASDE-X. The truck wasn't participating.

That risk is managed through medical certification. The real problem with understaffing is that one person can't handle all that work.

There's a mountain of evidence. No single controller should ever be running tower and ground at an airport like LGA.

A great deal of ATC relies on automation, such as systems like ASDE-X, which is used at LGA. ASDE-X uses radar and vehicle transponders (among other things) to detect collision hazards on the ground. Unfortunately ASDE-X only works if every vehicle has a transponder.

The truck involved in the collision did not have one. https://bsky.app/profile/flightradar24.com/post/3mht7m2f3rc2...


ASDE-X is an automated system that alerts tower and ground controllers to collision hazards on the airport surface. A transponder is a device that either responds to radar pings or continuously broadcasts the vehicle's position. They are mandatory equipment for aircraft, and at most large airports they're required for all ground vehicles too. The two systems work together.

If the truck had had a transponder, ASDE-X would've automatically alerted the controller who was working that night. So there's another link in the chain, in addition to the staffing issue and the failure to visually clear the runway.


> The fire trucks aren't part of the airport traffic management system

Yes they are.


There is no "the" issue in airline accidents. There are always multiple factors, and all of them had to happen in order for the accident to occur.

Understaffing is absolutely a factor. Had tower and ground not been combined, the erroneous clearance probably wouldn't have been issued.

The ARFF truck not complying with the stop instruction is absolutely a factor. Had they heard and complied, the accident wouldn't have happened.

And there are likely additional factors that will come out in the investigation.

I recommend reading some final aviation accident reports from the NTSB to learn more about how these investigations proceed and what kinds of conclusions and recommendations they include.


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