calling it garbage seems kinda harsh, but I think they are moving more to using a javascript rendering method instead of xul. I remember reading about it a while back. I don't really like it either and one of the first updates from back then broke a lot of UI that had been working ok. I am not really sure what the problems are with working with xul though, but I think firefox moved off it a long time ago too. I feel like thunderbird's user base is more the type to want to use thunderbird because it runs like a local first desktop style app as an alternative to using a web interface to their email. At least that's what I like about it.
> they are moving more to using a javascript rendering method instead of xul
Yeah, that's what I said: garbage.
> I am not really sure what the problems are with working with xul though
I'm sure they'll yell "for teh securitah!" in a bunch of vague fearmongering, just like they did with firefox. But the #1 and #2 problems are that it's not shiny and new and the CADT brigade[1] only knows javascript.
> I think firefox moved off it a long time ago too
I wouldn't call it "a long time ago", but I guess that depends on your perspective.
And that's the moment when firefox became garbage - just another chrome-alike, except slower and more resource-hungry. It had been getting worse for a decade prior to that, but dropping xul and breaking a ton of my extensions and customisability was the (large) straw that broke the camel's back. Sound familiar yet?
> I feel like thunderbird's user base is more the type to want to use thunderbird because it runs like a local first desktop style app as an alternative to using a web interface to their email. At least that's what I like about it.
Exactly. Which is why moving their UI to a worse, javascript-powered, uncustomisable, web-alike trash UI is a bad thing. And a big part of why everything they've done in the last ~10 years has been garbage. And why I'll almost certainly be switching to something that isn't thunderbird next time I'm forced to upgrade it.
(forgive my tone, nothing against you, I just get emotional when morons take an excellent piece of software I've been using for decades and turn it into broken, unusable trash)
Sometimes its nice to have a history like that because then maybe you are thinking of trying the thing they tried that wouldn't work and it would save you some time trying it if you can tell from those commits that it didn't work.
This saved us a couple times. At least until I had time to add monitoring to their old system to track disk usage. It was also helpful to use a tool called ncdu. It helps you visualize where most disk space is getting used up to track down the problem.
I feel like its because other than the user, the people involved have a benefit to running native instead of as a webapp. The phone OS companies get their percent of apps developed in their stores and the app developers get better access to your data to resell. Apple in particular has been really hostile to webapps.
Here they show the debt increasing through the 90s but by less than most other decades. I don't know if it takes into account inflation though so maybe that would have made the debt have less value. Seems like they didn't use any of the surplus to pay off the debt.
Adobe added embedded javascript to pdfs. Its an option to turn it off but its enabled by default. I turned mine off a long time back and never notice any problems but I don't use a lot of pdfs with interactive forms.
It does seem like they have destroyed most of the competition. I was frustrated with the ad-blocking the other day and looking for a video but the whole first page of links was all youtube. I guess that's why they are starting to crack down on adblockers since people don't have as many other places to go now.
I mean I don't know if I would say the land is just abandoned. Some farmland that people let go back to forest can also have the trees harvested from it periodically so its still productive in another way. The land can still be valuable.
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