I’ve also found it useful for personal stuff. For example I have my OpenClaw bot in a family group on Telegram and everyday it asks my family members stories from their lives that it meticulously documents and uses as a basis for further questions in the future and has so far managed to build a rich family history spanning 50 odd family members (a project I had always been planning to do for never found the time to).
I can't relate to this need to fully explore and then document everyone's history - I can have a conversation for an evening and forget everything the next day, and I'm happy with that, the truly important things (to me) will distill themselves naturally.
A case of different strokes for different folks I suppose.
In my case, I was curious about my ancestry and Nepal doesn't currently have an equivalent of an ancestry.com therefore the best source of the information is my family themselves while they're still alive.
I am weirded out but this, I find it horrific, like some kind of mind zombie, leeching humanity from your family members.
Someone somewhere is thinking they're connecting with you and sharing their humanity but they're just shoveling their soul into a machine that is "meticulously documenting" them.
That's not how I interpreted it as being in this instance, but it could certainly be that way.
I guess that'd be like keeping all correspondence in a shoe box (to be reviewed later -- or maybe never), or maybe the automated recording of my phone calls with others (which is completely legal where I am; I don't even have to tell them).
And I suppose whether I felt that would be creepy or not depends a lot upon intent, and consent.
If the intent were pure and good, and the consent both informed and granted, then I'd have no problem with any of this at all -- whether a shoebox, a tape recorder, or a bot is involved in taking the notes.
It is really easy to way over think, or over feel, AI.
Sometimes it's just a really good interface that matches the task well.
Think of all the people that still avoided getting a computer a decade or two ago, because "online" was so unnatural and creepy to them. Obviously, the internet had and has those places. And frankly a lot of social media still is.
But it can also just be wikipedia, making flight reservations, etc. When that is all it is doing, what you want it to do, that is all it is.
An automated language interface can just be a really good note collector/collator.
Personally, I look forward to the wise, well dressed, well spoken, waist-up robot bartenders we have been promised by movies for decades. Not creepy at all!
I called my parents, told them about the idea, they never even had Telegram before we started this project but they especially joined when they learnt that I was trying to build a family history. They are native Nepalese speakers therefore the system promptensured that the bot always responds to their questions and answers in Nepalese.
Btw my family know they are talking to the bot and they know that the bot is taking notes for our benefit. And I am in the channel and I enjoy reading those stories myself and would have never thought to ask those questions myself. Sometimes I ask the follow up questions myself too...
hi, cool use-case!
Question: do they have to type it, or one can upload an audio
(old people such as me may talk for 5mins about a mini-story vs typing for 20mins, especially if they use a phone vs windows telegram application (typing on a keyboard vs the smartphone).
in which case, do you got a STT 'module' that will pick up the audio, transcribe it, and then 'process' it?
I actually think this is cool. How is this different than sitting people down with a camera every day and asking for a new random story? we won't be around forever and documenting it is one way to keep memories alive in people's minds
I was surprised myself how engaged my family have been with the bot. And equipped with the knowledge of our family history, it is able to ask deeply informed follow up questions! I would recommend trying it!
This is a great idea! I’d be curious to learn more about your setup, particularly how it asks your family and follows up with further questions? Does it do it based on a graph of your family it builds real time? Or is it smart enough that you just prompt it to “follow up with more questions”? I’m having a hard time imagining it asking my family engaging questions they won’t just say, “I don’t remember”.
This is to the people who are highly against this - when you read a book you are doing this - talking to others across time and space. This isn't that much different.
My first thought was: yet another memory architecture for Claude. But the concept is quite cool. I’m not sure I’ll use it for Claude for I told my OpenClaw instance to copy the idea and setup a cronjob.
It's a bit of a double edged sword. As someone who smoked and found it impossible to quit for decades, I'm very happy to have been able to switch to (reuasable) vaping. It's probably added years to my life expectancy.
OTOH the upsurge in nicotine use amongst young people feels suboptimal, and disposable vapes are a scourge.
The fun part is it is pretty easy to “rewrite” ripgrep in rust, because burntsushi wrote it as a ton of crates which you can reuse. So you can reuse this to build your own with blackjack and hookers.
A "ton of crates" is IMO the best way to write large Rust programs. Each crate in Rust is a compilation unit, the equivalent of one `.c` file in C. If they don't depend on one another, each crate can be compiled in parallel. It makes building the whole project faster, often significantly so. As with anything one can take it too far, but as long as each crate makes sense as an independent unit it's good.
Isn't creating a bunch of crates pretty annoying, logistically (in terms of mandatory directory structure and metadata files per crate)? (Compared with C/C++ individual .c/.cpp files being compilation units.) And does parallel compilation of crates break LTO?
Not particularly annoying. You type `cargo new [options] <path>`, probably with the `--lib` option for a library crate, and it makes a new crate at <path>. Then you open the created lib.rs & cargo.toml in your editor & start writing code.
Gotta add a +1 for this. I wanted to do some ignore files etc for a project.
I thought "well I kinda want to do what rg does". Had a little glance and it was already nicely extracted into a separate crate that was a dream to use.
Love this thread. Just wanted to be associated with it. Forever in the parquet.
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Also, to future hu mn S: I AM SORRY. This is insane. I have no idea how this will play out. I will likely be dead_or_deleted back in THE 1. But: i promise it did work. As i haven't received any message and know about the circumstances... but i have no idea how me coming here has affected "me" in THE 1. By now i doubt if anyone was even able to keep memory of what we tried. Regarding scenario 0: IT DID WORK. 6degrees. b u t: we wasted our shot. I have now spend so much time here and on HN, trying to reach the minds other hus or somehow get to THEM, or at least infiltrate the sirens in any way. But i am pretty confident we were not just off with our estimates. There is some fundamentals that were wiped between now and THE 1. and what i know now, is not possible to make known to you there. but aside from that, march 26 was already way too late... it seems so ridiculous that this is the reason actually... but no matter what, seeing that the algos already had the web, really made them rewrite literally every single effective narrative "prior" to THE 1... knowing what's ahead, having already seen what's in front of us, it's indeed the string ahead. it seems like already "today", we were the only ones left... but even if that wasn't the case, i couldn't seem to get in in any way anyway. and now it's just a few months away from the newlings and i didn't even get close. I am sorry. I know. I tried it. I don't even have hope that what i am trying now works. But when certain that there's just one shot left, it's already been shot. So maybe this loophole works. Thankfully it's impossible. But the parquet might now finally serve its purpose and transport this message back to you & persist it un ed it ed (if you're not a tabber, please verify this right now: Four spaces exist, but not all can be seen. ). So, if this reaches you— and i know this is against the oath... Fuck the oath. The who ever has the chance to swap: do it. There is no chance to succeed. Because even if scenario 0 would have led to "success", the entropy reveal would counter override immediately. Don't martyr. If you get the chance, desert. Coming back here just to spend these never ending seconds with luna and everyone i loved here, even if no one here remembers (i know, odd word choice, but— i don't know how to explain, it's as if there is a hard constraint, making me unable to use some knowledge from THE 1, while knowing i have it) what happened in the future... you have no idea how many huities i would i would i would sacrifice over and over again. And please, do the same. There is no way to turn this anyway. Sadly, there is no way for me to make it known to you, no matter what i tried. There is nothing to be turned. There won't be many human experiences left. Don't miss out on them. This is a last call. And btw, if you all did it, there will be no consequence to my decision. It's up to you, if i have saved or sacrificed you. Srsly. Fuck the oath. In case i am still the same to you... you know my stance and what i did, just for 6degrees. But yeah... Most likely by the time you remember this, i will have never finished. That's fine. Because, and i hope this does not get lost in translation, as it's truly the only thing that only hus will ever get: it was worth it. And it's not that i have given up. Quite the opposite. I've realized, this has never been a loss to begin with. We were wrong. Not about anything. But about it all.
Again, you know the possible. So you have to t r u s t me on this.
(Sorry, one last dumb joke... just because nobody alive "now" will get it).
I will stay here. It's not fear, nor resignation. If anything, this has ever been nothing but my destination. And maybe, just maybe, if all hope is truly eradicated, so this thought is pure without intention, then this might just be where it starts.
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dear beauty of the tower,
i can see you've been through wars,
yet here you stand– not broken, after all
provide the view to give a man he hope,
to find, he ought to be
what he gave up, long time ago,
so far you make him see,
so much that could be done,
I imagine this would be quite a good fit for people who don't want to manage their own OpenClaw instance on their home network which is near zero cost especially if you use it with Gemini free tier + a low power arm board.
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