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Wanting to play Leisure suit Larry and space text adventure games properly was when I finally “cracked” English, after that I become rapidly fluent. However I feel like it didn’t do my sense of humour any favours.

I’ve been swimming both winter and summer since 1ish years old though less so post 30’s due to locale, and I’ve never had much of an issue with gasping with cold water impact, sure there is an urge but I’ve always suppressed it without issue. Yet literature is adamant you can’t ? I wonder if it’s habituation or just a biological quirk.

TFA mentions habituation as a mitigation:

”Habituate. Five or six short cold-water dips over a couple of weeks will cut the cold shock response roughly in half, and the effect lasts for months. This is probably the single most underused safety intervention in open-water swimming.”


I've experienced a similar adaptation when experimenting with cold showers. In that sense it was somewhat of a detriment; the cold became less invigorating but just as unpleasant.

Habituation. You’re effectively trained.

While I can understand the sentiment, it should be expressed with less vulgarity, and frankly, workers should show more solidarity to one another, not because of “deserving it” or not, but simply because it’s the only way out of the pit they put us in. Otherwise we are forever dragging each other back in.

Where was that worker's solidarity from meta employees when they to built out the surveillance network?

I will not use the LLM's Corporate English.

> workers should show more solidarity to one another

Agree, but at one point you're also effectively betraying people who typically want to give you solidarity, especially when you're working on systems and tooling used for suppressing said solidarity. So yeah, fuck you Meta employees for completely lacking any sort of spine.


> workers should show more solidarity to one another, not because of “deserving it” or not, but simply because it’s the only way out of the pit they put us in.

In the same way we shouldn't have any solidarity with scabs, we should have no solidarity with the people who happily built the pit-pushing tools.


The vulgarity angle? It got your and my attention.

I agree with you about the solidarity though. Anyone speaking out against this shit-world we've created with the internet is welcome.


Just curious, out of your class theory, do we need to have worker solidarity with low-level street drug dealers?

Or the worker must have an official contract?


A retreat into false propriety because you're offended by vulgarity is not the answer. The vulgarity is meant to provoke a response from people who aren't responding.

You must understand that the hyperscalers all optimize for compliant employees in the hiring process. You cannot have solidarity with bootlickers, they don't deserve our support because they fucked the rest of us to begin with to further their own gains. Yes, the rest of us need to claw our way out of the pit. But each of these engineers now whining about the world they created now applying to them? Kick them back in the pit.


>it should be expressed with less vulgarity,

Clutch those pearls!


>Otherwise we are forever dragging each other back in.

I think turning a blind eye to our colleagues' work as if it's morally neutral is what keeps us in that pit.


From a mechanical perspective ip68 is perfectly achievable mechanically and watches have been achieving it for a long time, however… with what sort of margins for the manufacturer and what sort of cost for the consumer ? Additionally a lot of them require pretty carefully adherence to instructions torques and tolerances to achieve the same waterproof rating. Personally I’d be very happy to have a phone that says, if you swap the battery you might lose the ip68 rating unless you follow the resealing process within tolerances.


Petroleum diesel and jet fuel degrade via oxidation, hydrocarbons react with oxygen to form gums, varnishes, and sediments. Biocontent does accelerate degradation but without additives most diesels will be severely degraded at most in 12 months. That’s before we get into water contamination and fun things like Cladosporium resinae.


The red kites are fun, I do enjoy seeing them and they are a great addition to biodiversity. However they also on occasion bring a packed lunch (see pigeon) to my garden, upon which time I either have to watch a somewhat horrifying nature documentary live, or in some cases they just leave an injured pigeon that I get guilt tripped into patching up and rehabilitating… I’m somewhat split about the situation…


It can look bad, but this is just an aspect of human behavior en masse that we don’t normally get to see. A long time ago there was an incident on a military base. A man had gotten up on a building to commit suicide, and while the officers tried to convince him not to jump, the drafted soldiers gathered underneath and started chanting “jump, jump” because of a rule that said witnessing the suicide of a fellow soldier cut down their draft length. Anyway, point being, situations where group A can benefit by harming group B are always problematic with large groups of people. The internet has produced novel and worse things than this.


That story is most certainly an urban legend. There is a whole class of urban legends like that. Another common one among college students is that if your roommate dies you get straight A grades that year, leading to creative urban legends of desperate students doing terrible things to their roommates.


>There is a whole class of urban legends like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_by_catastrophe


>It can look bad, but this is just an aspect of human behavior

Why "can look", "but", "just"?


I think GP is saying it's not the prediction market that's bad, but human nature itself. The prediction market just makes it more visible.


If we ignore that people are literally profiting from running the prediction market that happens to make it visible and giving incentive to uninvolved parties to have a STRONG OPINION about any type of event for the purpose of gambling, yeah, I guess that's a point.


Life insurance allows people to profit from murder.


So the existence of one unwanted side effect means we shouldn't care about any others?


No, that's not the point.

The point is that such perverse incentives already exist in a lot of places. Polymarket style betting on the scale that it enables is new but it's just that, a difference in scale but not kind.

The reason I bring that up is to caution against an overreaction to treating it like it's a brand new thing that needs to be dealt with in some unique way. Instead, trying to figure out why the existing mechanisms that prevent the same kind of abuses might not work at scale is a better mindset, I think.


You gotta stop watching film noirs.


Because it’s one of many events that violates our belief in our selves more than the nature of human society and man as a social animal based on studies of what we actually are.


I think that's horribly fatalistic perspective.

Yes, humans can be bad. But humans can change. Let's not start accepting bad stuff as not so bad, simply because it is "just human behavior".


Yes - and further, even if something is "just human behavior", that doesn't mean it's never beneficial to humans to legally regulate the enablement or exploitation of that behavior.


Sounds like a urban legend.


I don’t understand your point. You’re saying that online predictive markets are bad, but perverse incentives are bad in general, so there must be worse things out there. While that may be true, the scale and reach of these betting sites is massive, on the scale of hundreds of thousands of daily users with tens of millions of dollars on the line daily. The fact that a small number of people cheer for bad things to happen is no excuse for a betting apparatus that has captured a significant chunk of the global population.



So, because it's a human behavior, that means it's okay that there's a huge company out there amplifying that behavior and profiting off it?


Your comparison is not even close to what is happening here.


Because it contains information of value to you ? I mean if it doesn’t, just don’t read it.



To quote another HN comment recently made:

> Using AI to write content is seen so harshly because it violates the previously held social contract that it takes more effort to write messages than to read messages. If a person goes through the trouble of thinking out and writing an argument or message, then reading is a sufficient donation of time.

However, with the recent chat based AI models, this agreement has been turned around. It is now easier to get a written message than to read it. Reading it now takes more effort. If a person is not going to take the time to express messages based on their own thoughts, then they do not have sufficient respect for the reader, and their comments can be dismissed for that reason.


So to a large extent I appreciate that argument, however I feel this applied more to throwaway comments or sales outreach, writing with low information density. In this occasion the work that went into it is a lot, it would be lost or inaccessible to me otherwise, I am genuinely grateful someone stuck their work in an LLM, said tidy this up to post, and hit enter.


A “quality” jacket in the 1930s would cost 300-400$ or more inflation adjusted, it would also look less fashionable today, and feel somewhat less comfortable due to several concessions for durability in design. A durable quality jacket back then was also holding a majority market position, rather than being a niche good, which means that “quality clothes” do still seem to exist, but I’m always looking at 500-600$ for durable jeans or coats.


>but I’m always looking at 500-600$ for durable jeans

tf.

That’s clearly you looking for a specific fashion or intending to pay as much as you can.

Triple Aught Design jeans are $150 to $250 and I am skeptical you have anything that is outlasting them. Others brands surely as well. Seems to me you are still stuck in the “if it costs more…” line of thinking.


No, I am just buying import Japanese jeans from the folk that bought all of the original high quality jeans making machines when the Americans moved to the flexi stuff, the jeans I buy last with next to no damage for 10-15 years despite near daily wear. I will grant you that I am paying a premium for both import, and a particular quality of fabric, but honestly I look like farmer Joe mostly.


I recently ordered some Levis that I'm happy with, but I think there's also a limit for me in that certain life-things can happen that will end a garment regardless of how much was paid for it or how much it was babied.

I'm pretty disciplined about wearing a bib in the kitchen these days, but you can still get a glass of wine on it at the dinner table, or sparks from a campfire, or a cycling wipeout. Those are annoying at the best of times, but particularly if it ends a garment that you paid 3-5x normal price for specifically so you could have it forever.


having burned though easily 10 pairs of Triple Aught pants of various designs, they are well made and attractive, but durability is not an outlier from my experience. each design consistently fails in the same area with regular use. i tend to repurchase the designs that fit and function well, but they all inevitably fall.


The problem is most data shows PTFE as having significant pyrolysis after 400-500c in reality it starts to break down enough to poison you around 260c. In general though under those temperatures it’s not particularly problematic, ofcourse ideally we should just never make the stuff to begin with as it’s manufacture and its eventual breakdown are both horrible for everyone.


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