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Google loves doing stuff like this. At my last company, before we sold it, I had to reverify our Google Business page about once a week because it would constantly just remove the verification for seemingly no reason.


It’s this way because of how regulated everything is. You have to jump through hoops to get permission to do anything here in the U.S. in other countries you just do it.


It's fairly regulated here. The regulation says that the companies that own the poles are obligated to sell that space to any other telcos that want to rent it.


That’s how it is in many places in the USA, but they often make you pay their own service techs to do it.

In my city it’s pretty deregulated. But there are downsides. Sloppy techs will cut competitor cables due to pure laziness.


It would be interesting to see someone just do it in the U.S. as well. A couple of guys with some amber flashing lights on their trucks. One with a bucket truck, another with big spool of fiber; guys with hard hats and safety vests. Cops aren't going to stop and ask questions. Maybe a telco guy driving by might ask a supervisor if they even cared enough about it. Just have guys that can actually do it correctly so the finished work doesn't look suspicious.

Once it is up, the regulations will work for you. Some day, some other "legit" installer will come by and look at the cable and basically shrug their shoulders at it, and then do their work around it. It would take weeks if not longer to find out nobody knows who owns it. Nobody's going to take the time to trace it back. And I'm guessing nobody is going to just take it down for fear of taking the wrong thing down. Maybe they cut the line and wait around to see who comes to splice it?? It would make for an entertaining story.


A municipality local to me (New Lebanon, Ohio) "just did it" and hung 150 banners honoring local veterans from power poles. The local monopoly power company threatened the municipality with >$300 per-pole hanging fees and demanded they be removed. There was some back and forth but eventually the power company gave-in to public sentiment (honoring veterans and all). I would suspect "just doing it" would put you on the business-end of civil, if not criminal, litigation.


I have done this! It's harder/more stressful than you might think, but it's absolutely possible. We installed relay radios powered off the photocell plugs to bring low-speed internet to a family friend's farm, so the actual installation doesn't even involve wires between poles, just shims under the streetlamp photocells. Presumably they'll get knocked out when the streetlamps are upgraded... but it's been six years so far with no issues.


the issue with this approach is if you depend on it, it may just go away some day, either with the police called and if they track it back to you, you may be prosecuted under the laws that protect utilities. These are less forgiving than you might think.

It's a big deal to damage someone elses infrastructure, can result in bills and lawsuit to reclaim losses. If the pole owner notices, they may do something (or just ignore it). What you don't want is them tearing down your stuff without notice.


> Maybe they cut the line and wait around to see who comes to splice it?

I can't pull them up now, but I've seen a number of credible stories on the internet of Comcast and AT&T technicians going to homes to do service and then intentionally cutting lines of the other company that service the building or nearby houses. Obviously this isn't super common or it would be bigger news, but it definitely happens.


It also doesn’t help when the incumbent owns the poles and either delay letting you put your stuff, or outright refuse until you sue them.


How do you plan for these things to get into buildings? Sewer, water, and power utilities are anywhere from 20’ deep to 2’ deep, so unless you want these robots aimlessly digging into utilities, you still need to disturb the ground above. Subway tunnels are generally very deep... 40’+ And verrrrry expensive.


To be fair, microtrenching sucks. It’s extremely difficult to dig around lines that have even micro trenched without damaging them. Our “micro trenches” are still 16” deep, but we stopped doing that. Our new stuff is a minimum of 24”, generally 36” deep. I know people who were doing it between 4-8” and I think that’s just plain stupid.


I agree microtrenching isn’t ideal. Neither is a plethora of service providers tearing up streets to install proper conduit and lines, however.

Texas has shared transmission lines and a choice of electrical suppliers. It’s high past time we applied the same model to data.


Well you need conduit to run fiber generally; so you would be doing both.


Are you in Hartford County, MD by chance?


Generally looking at around $200,000 for one of those. They work great in certain areas. If you’re doing urban work like we are they’re not so great because there’s a utility every 10 feet.


The problem with this is you can name a “kickback” by anything else, like “rent”, and that makes it legal.


I'd love to know where you can get a fiber circuit for $500/m. (And even if you can, then you probably can't compete with whoever's selling you that circuit anyway.) When we started we haggled considerably.. (had to sign a 20 year deal) and managed to get a 2G/10G circuit for $1,500/m. (A 1G circuit would have been $1200/m)


Some places are cheaper than others, looking at this thread especially outside US.

In Poland you can get 1Gbps connection for 200USD/month and 5Gbps for ~600USD/m


These are not fiber circuits, ie dedicated bandwidth, they are shared residential services.


Those are not shared residential services, but normal business/ISP grade connection with SLA and so on.


I guarantee it's not dedicated. it may go over a dedicated line at some point, but I'm in the layer2 business running GMPLS and shared switched traffic and you're either on GPON or some Metro Ethernet gear. you are sharing the neighborhood bandwidth on a metro switch, or you're sharing both light spectrum (GPON) AND the neighborhood bandwidth. you could have 100g but it's still shared.


Do you think there's a company advertising 5gbps at $600/m for residential services? Those are dedicated fiber prices, all be it very good ones (I'd question the peering outside of Europe).


There's free.fr that sells 10G for 50EUR/month.


2G/10G? Normally I see it considerably cheaper for download bandwidth vs upload bandwidth, as your provider will just sell/reserve the upload bandwidth for servers, since servers use vastly more upload.

Of course, the rate you gave holds with the $1/mb I was assuming. You oversell bandwidth obviously.


It's probably 2G sustained, 10G burst of some sort.


We're a profitable company doing over a quarter million a year ATM. We aren't running fiber on a whim.


We were too. Until we needed to expand to meet a customers needs. Then we had to take on debt.

As I said, a cautionary tale. Call me the ghost of startups past :/


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