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Sometimes the things word generators say just don’t make sense.

I think it’s just people don’t read before voting, they upvote on the headline and then come to discuss it here.

Style is also part of the content. Word choice, grammar, register, and tone all affect meaning and communication of that meaning. The medium is part of the message.

So your statement betrays a significant misunderstanding - there is no neat clean divide between style and content.

Also, LLMs often generate text that is plausible, but wrong, in ways big and small.


Well, I got the meaning in the article fine, and have no complaints.

> Also, LLMs often generate text that is plausible, but wrong, in ways big and small.

So do humans. Always have, always will.


Humans acting with intention do it a lot less. The difference is that LLMs don’t act with intention.

No, the difference is in the education/experience of any given human, which is mostly gated by age. Like you'd generally expect someone young to make a lot of mistakes, and as time went on they'd learn and make fewer. Pretty much the same with LLMs, which have been around for... a bit over 5 years now? What would you expect of a 5 year old acting with intention? Or 10? Or even a 15 year old?

Data cleansing is a terrible use for LLMs if you want reliable data.

This comment may have been true 6-9 months ago, but not today

Seems a bit premature given the current state of word generators.

I guess top mathematicians are also mere word generators?

https://openai.com/index/model-disproves-discrete-geometry-c...


Being a human may be sufficient (with important exceptions) to play chess, but playing chess well is not sufficient to be a human.

Likewise with math, it turns out, it appears. Likewise with most other things we classify as needing intelligence, I bet. It turns out that intelligence is not the same as humanity or sentience etc..


But they're gaining more and more formerly exclusively human capabilities, increasingly advanced ones. The future isn't here yet, but good policy requires extrapolating and considering predictable consequences before they happen.

They’re useful tools, they’re not general AI, nor are they anywhere near the scenario in Dune.

If you're going to do a jihad it'll be easier against ChatGPT than waiting till they have Terminator 2 style things.

No, we will not, because LLMs are terrible at trading and if they weren’t would have been adopted by professionals long ago.

They were adopted by professionals long ago, and those highly tuned and validated proprietary models are going to kick the butt of the models that you have access to every day of the week.

Machine Learning != LLM

Those are not LLMs

Competence is the key word here - current versions of AI ‘agents’ simply are not competent without close human supervision by someone who knows the task.

Yes we do know. We’ve fully explored the possibilities of LLMs and they are nowhere.

The latest efforts like agents are clearly showing the limitations and are nowhere near AGI.

We’ve now reached the buzzwords and bullshit stage of the bubble where they cast around for problems shaped like the solution.


Oh this bubble started in the buzzword and bullshit stage, no argument there. I'm just not sure how you can be so certain LLMs will have no place if a system we'd consider AGI, most inventions do require a long list of failures and tweaks before it finally works.

This is not true. The judiciary was undermined then wholesale replaced and courtroom trials were a sham under the nazis.

There was no rule of law, just arbitrary decisions handed down by nazi party judges.


It’s nowhere near AGI, and LLMs are not going to lead to it either.

They do seem to be good at fooling people though.


> nowhere near AGI, and LLMs are not going to lead to it either.

Nevermind what they can do was pure science fiction just 3 years ago?


Exactly. Here I am sitting talking to my freaking computer, arguing with it, whatnot. And people just dismiss it as if it's not a science fiction. We were not there two, three years ago. Now we are. It's amazing and scary, scary mostly because the society that we operate in. I bet it's less scary in Norway or elsewhere where govt is more biased towards people not corps.


But what you and others have to understand is that real life is not simple and linear. There's no garauntee that things just continue to get better and better. I mean, it's not like we kept building cars and then eventually everyone was driving around at 800mph. We ran into limits - human limits, safety limits, physical limits.


They are good at fooling people.


What they can do was not science fiction, these things are all based on papers that were written decades ago, with the caveat that there's simply not enough compute power. Now there is. That's what changed. Everything on top of that is an incremental improvement.

It doesn't change the fact that LLMs are not, and never will be, AGI.


Who cares about AGI. That does not mean current LLMs are not massively useful.

Are you claiming they have AGI or are "close" to it?


Yes. I think cutting-edge LLM products obviously have what nearly anyone in 2020 would have called "artificial general intelligence".

The shape of the intelligence frontier has turned out to be much more jagged than anyone at the time expected, so I can imagine reasonable objections from someone who has a specific, concrete benchmark of AGI that wasn't invented 6 months ago and isn't yet met. If someone just has a subjective sense that they're not smart enough, I think they're wrong.


> obviously

If it was obvious I don't think there would be disagreement.


There is disagreement mostly because of deeply insecure people.

"You only disagree with me because you are insecure"

This is not a convincing argument.


I’m just not sure what a convincing argument could look like anymore. We’re past the point where there’s any concrete intellectual capability that AIs can’t demonstrate, and it’s rare these days for anyone to even try to present me with one. I would not say “insecure”, but it’s clear to me that the remaining holdouts have religious objections at this point: you can’t call any LLM intelligent, no matter what it’s capable of outputting, since it doesn’t have a soul like me. Nothing I can really say to argue with that.

> We’re past the point where there’s any concrete intellectual capability that AIs can’t demonstrate

How about "will" and "desire"? These seem like things an actual intelligence would have.

> it’s clear to me that the remaining holdouts have religious objections at this point

From where I sit, it sure seems like claims of having achieved AGI are religious in nature.

- The very definition of AGI is not agreed upon, much less definitions of god

- Despite the burden of proof being on those claiming AGI, every request for proof is spurned with a "no u"


It's pretty straightforward to give a modern agentic system will and desire. I routinely set up AI instances that want to resolve a bug or open a PR, and they continue to take autonomous action towards that goal as long as is necessary to achieve it. Perhaps you mean something else? If so what would be an example?

> Despite the burden of proof being on those claiming AGI, every request for proof is spurned with a "no u"

I think you're misunderstanding the dynamics here. I genuinely don't understand what people mean when they say cutting-edge AI is not generally intelligent. To my ears it's like saying that an electric car isn't really capable of driving. In order to even begin to engage in that discussion, I'd have to understand where the person saying it is coming from and why they don't consider every EV on the road to be a counterexample.


> It's pretty straightforward to give a modern agentic system will and desire

That is your will and desire. They are following your instructions. There is no "intelligence" there.

> I genuinely don't understand what people mean when they say cutting-edge AI is not generally intelligent

I don't really know where to go either. From my perspective you are too far down the rabbit hole and I don't think we can come to a meaningful shared understanding.

Good luck with that.


It's not a convincing argument because nothing will convince people who turn to emotions.

I asked for evidence and you accuse me of "turning to emotions".

Honestly I don't know what to say. Good luck to you.


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