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Same.

Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic.

They say things like "no matter what it takes, no matter how many of us die, we must be free again, this time we will win against the terrorist regime" (paraphrased).


Are these Iranian friends and their children the ones at risk the next time the US or Israel "accidentally" double taps civilian infrastructure?

The regime will kill you/your loved ones and brand them as criminals if you protest against them or break an unreasonable law, the US and Israel will kill you and brand you as terrorists because you happened to be Iranian and in the wrong place.


My family in Tehran fear the bombs but support the US continuing to do so. I think the bombing campaign needs to end, so I disagree with them on that. Based on what little we know coming out of Tehran (we only get a few min of landline phone calls from Tehran once a week), the issue is splitting families due to the mental strain it's having. That being said, the overall feeling is very much still pro-US.

I think people outside of Iran/Iranians vastly underestimate the disdain for the Iranian regime. Go watch the movie "It was just an accident" to get a basic feel for how much they hate the regime, then amplify that tenfold.


> My family in Tehran fear the bombs but support the US continuing to do so > I think people outside of Iran/Iranians vastly underestimate the disdain for the Iranian regime.

Iranian here.. no, we're not celebrating US bombing our children. People are very united right now, the war is for the survival of IRAN. Our plight with IRGC is set aside to defeat the invaders attempting to take our home land.

I'm not sure how you can both claim "you support the bombing of your family in Tehran" but also claim "the campaign needs to end".

For reference, my own cousin was taken to Evin prison for 6 months after the Mahsa uprising and after she was released, she had to be hospitalized for a year. She will never leave a normal life again. So I have NO LOVE for IRGC.

But no, I am not going to "cheer" for US and Israel for bombing Isfahan, Shiraz and destroy our Shah Cheragh.

We have 90M people in our home and we can figure things out among ourselves, just like have done so since the dawn of the Achaemenids.

P.S I hope your family is safe.


Has Shah Cheragh been destroyed by the US or Israel? I can't find any news about that.

USA hasn't set foot on Iran and is unlikely to do so in the future. Calling this an invasion requires some pretty intense mental gymnastics.

Meanwhile Iran is collapsing from just the water shortage alone. The idea that the US is the cause of Iran struggling for survival requires a pretty distorted world view.


the US set up a little base in iran a few weeks back and had boots on the ground firing against iranians.

one of the main peace demands the US has is to put boots on the ground to steal iran's uranium


I was living in Tehran during the 2011-2012 protests, British embassy incident etc (I was ~13 then).

I once attended a military "fair"(?) where they'd show off their equipment and had some anti-US "games", eg one involving throwing a shoe at a target with Obama or maybe Bush's face printed on it, and observed people enthusiastically taking part in it.

My impression was that while people hated and feared the regime, they still broadly shared the anti-foreign intervention stance, particularly against the US. I'm having a hard time believing that they'd still be pro-US after Trump threatened genocide against them.


If you weren’t born in that part of the world I would doubt your impressions especially at age 13

Your viewpoint is comes from a different place than that of natives or diaspora


That's a fair point

If you look at the chances, there's a far greater chance of dying in the hands of SUV mounted machine guns firing at crowds than precision bombs that mostly hit regime forces

Source for the latter occurrence?


Iranian here! I want to see the regime answer for its crimes. They act like an occupying force, taking the country hostage.

With that being said I don’t like/want the war. I understand and sympathize with the emotional response from my compatriots because they see the oppressors are getting the bloody beating they well deserve. But I don’t really think that the current war brings anything good for the people. I wish it did but it doesn’t look like it. I wish the regime would fall but they haven’t and we now have ~2000 more innocents dead on top of thousands that government killed in January.


I am guessing you're not a supported of Reza Pahlavi?

How in your mind do we get to the regime answering for its crimes? What is going to dislodge them? If they are not dislodged and continue to indoctrinate more people where does this go? If they have more weapons where does it go?

Is any chance that some elements within the current regime will change sides? What percent of soldiers or militia are die hard fanatics vs. people who will jump ship if there's a good chance of that "ship" sinking?


It's very easy to offer the lives of others for your goals.

In fairness, the claim is that all the Iranians are offering their own lives for the poster's goals.

Of course, that only brings us to, "It's easy to claim others are offering their lives for your goals."

I guess it's probably best to just realize everything you see on the subject of any given war is probably propaganda. And judge the value of it through that lens.


I think a lot of people can apply common sense and realize that no real person is rooting for their family getting bombed to bits. And hopefully realize that posters who make up such persons are spreading vile propaganda that dehumanizes them so that there won’t be too much opposition to the massacre of civilians.

"Some of you May Die, But it's a Sacrifice I am Willing to Make"

That’s interesting; how many of them are currently in Iran or have close family in Iran?

The big question is what comes after. I don't think many disagreed with Saddam or Gaddafi but history shows that this doesn't necessarily lead to good outcomes.

It's always good to state if the Iranians you know are currently residing in Iran, for clarity.

Your paraphased quote also implies that there must be actual regime change for the deaths to be worth it (ie, no IRGC).


If only they had internet so that we could ask them!

It's scary that your 1-minute old comment got insta-downvoted.

It isn't scary it's obvious. Majority of people on HN are american. Obviously the government would want to control the narrative here.

The government doesn't have to do anything at all. The majority of Americans tuly see themselves as the world's savior, freeing countries and installing democracy everywhere it goes.

They drank the kool aid entirely, 50+ years ago and the government has been coasting on that American moral superiority ever since.


It's easy to say that when you're a shah supporter living in the west.

Do you ever think what would happen to them in the West if they weren't vocal opponents of the Iranian state?

> Every Iranian I know support the current US/Israeli war against the Islamic Republic.

That seems a little bit suspect, how many Iranians do you know? I have difficulty believing that less than around 20-30% of them support the regime. There seems to be a baseline of around that fraction of people who support the status quo.

It isn't so hard to find people who support full-on communism. Any reasonable sample should be turning up a lot of really weird opinions.


Did you see on the news how many people were mourning for Khomeini on the streets ?

Clearly your sample of Iranians is very biased.

I am not pro theocratic regimes, but not only does the US/Israel _not_ have the right to wage this war, but this war will only make the regime stronger.

Nothing more unifying than getting bombed, especially in martyrdom cultures.


AND you get to stay a virgin. It's a win/win.

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_(Sorry for the joke. I know nothing about you, it was just a cheap one-liner I felt can be shared with this disclaimer. Much love.)_


What do you think is the percentage of your payment to Z.AI that goes to the Chinese state (which can be termed as "evil" in many ways)?

This has nothing to do with HN.


He said: "LLM is going to change schools and universities a lot"

You said: "No it won't. It really, really wont."

With the explosive development of LLMs and their abilities, it seems your point of view is probably the hopeful one while the other poster has the realistic one.

It seems that you simply can't say anything about what LLMs will not be able to do. Especially when you try to use current "AI slop" as your main reason, which is being more and more eradicated.


> "AI slop" as your main reason, which is being more and more eradicated.

The slop is the hard truth.

As I made perfectly clear in my original post. My university professor friends get handed AI slop by their students each and every day.

There is no "eradication of slop" happening. If anything, it is getting worse. Trust me, my friends see the output from all the latest algorithms on their desk.

The students think they are being very clever, the students think the magical LLM is the best thing since sliced bread.

All the professor sees is a wall of slop on their desk and a student that is not learning how to reason and think with their own damn brain.

And when the professors tries politely and patiently to challenge them and test their understanding as you would expect in a university environment, the snowflake students just whine and complain because they know they've been caught out drinking the LLM kool-aid again for the 100th time this week.

Hence the student is wasting their time and money at university, and the professor is wasting their time trying to teach someone who is clearly not interested in learning because they think they can get the answer in 5 seconds from an LLM chatbot.

My professor friends chose the career they did because they enjoy the challenge of helping students along the way through their courses and watching them develop.

They are no longer seeing that same development in their students. And instead of devoting time to helping students, they are wasting time thinking up over-engineered fiendishly-complicated lab-tasks and tests that the students cannot cheat using LLM.

It is honestly a lose-lose situation for everybody.


I think you're missing the point. The conversation is not about what students give the professors, it's about how students learn. This obviously requires someone that wants to learn.


> it's about how students learn. This obviously requires someone that wants to learn.

FINALLY ! Someone who gets the point I was trying to make. I wish I could upvote you a million times.

This is precisely the point. Professors are happy to help people who want to learn.

Students who prefer to copy/paste into LLMs do not want to learn. University is there to foster learning and reasoning using your own brain. An LLM helps with neither.


Sweep aside the misunderstanding about students trying to "cheat" with LLM output instead of engagement in the topic at hand. I think there is a secondary debate here, even when you understand the original intent of the post above. It still boils down to the same concerns about "slop". Not the student presenting slop to the existing teaching system, but the student being led stray by the slop they are consuming on their own.

Being an auto-didact has always been a double-edged sword. You can potentially accelerate your learning and find your own specialization, but it is an extremely easy failure mode to turn yourself into some semi-educated crank. Once in a while, this leads to some renegade genius who opens new branches of knowledge. But in more cases, it aborts useful learning. The crank gets lost in their half-baked ontology and unable to really fix the flaws nor progress to more advanced topics.

The whole long history of learning institutions is, in part, trying to manage this very human risk. One of a teacher's main roles is to recognize a student who is spiraling out in this manner and steer them back. Nearly everyone has this potential to incrementally develop a sort of self-delusion, if not getting reality-checked on a regular basis. It takes incredible diligence to self-govern and never lose yourself in the chase.

This is where "sycophancy" in LLMs is a bigger problem than mere diction. If the AI continues to function as a sort of keyhole predictor, it does not have the context to model a big-picture purpose like education and keep all the incremental wanderings on course and bound to reality. Instead, it can amplify this worst-case scenario where you plunge down some rabbit-hole.


I sure hope those "university professor friends" exist, and you're not self-distancing. Because you really need help with the mindset like that. Students are not your enemies and LLMs are not ought to get you. Seek help.


Totally unrelated to this post. Get a grip.


Hi @fatihturker – exciting project if it works!

I have a MacBook Pro M1 Max w/64 GB RAM, and a Mac Studio M3 Ultra w/96 GB RAM. What do you think is possible to run on these? Just curious before I really try it out.


Wow, Kimi K2.5 runs on a single M3 Ultra with 512 GB RAM?

Can you share more info about quants or whatever is relevant? That's super interesting, since it's such a capable model.


Below are my test results after running local LLMs on two machines.

I'm using LM Studio now for ease of use and simple logging/viewing of previous conversations. Later I'm gonna use my own custom local LLM system on the Mac Studio, probably orchestrated by LangChain and running models with llama.cpp.

My goal has all the time been to use them in ensembles in order to reduce model biases. The same principle has just now been introduced as a feature called "model council" in Perplexity Max: https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/blog/introducing-model-council

Chats will be stored in and recalled from a PostgreSQL database with extensions for vectors (pgvector) and graph (Apache AGE).

For both sets of tests below, MLX was used when available, but ultimately ran at almost the same speed as GGUF.

I hope this information helps someone!

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Mac Studio M3 Ultra (default w/96 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, 28C CPU, 60C GPU):

• Gemma 3 27B (Q4_K_M): ~30 tok/s, TTFT ~0.52 s

• GPT-OSS 20B: ~150 tok/s

• GPT-OSS 120B: ~23 tok/s, TTFT ~2.3 s

• Qwen3 14B (Q6_K): ~47 tok/s, TTFT ~0.35 s

(GPT-OSS quants and 20B TTFT info not available anymore)

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MacBook Pro M1 Max 16.2" (64 GB RAM, 2 TB SSD, 10C CPU, 32C GPU):

• Gemma 3 1B (Q4_K): ~85.7 tok/s, TTFT ~0.39 s

• Gemma 3 27B (Q8_0): ~7.5 tok/s, TTFT ~3.11 s

• GPT-OSS 20B (8bit): ~38.4 tok/s, TTFT ~21.15 s

• LFM2 1.2B: ~119.9 tok/s, TTFT ~0.57 s

• LFM2 2.6B (Q6_K): ~69.3 tok/s, TTFT ~0.14 s

• Olmo 3 32B Think: ~11.0 tok/s, TTFT ~22.12 s


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