Play as you like. Just saying I did read spoilers as a kid when I played it and I feel I did not lose anything. I learned a lot of English and after all these years Nethack is still the most memorable game I played.
Or do what I did when I played this as a child: read the spoilers. Then start with Valkyrie, get the Mjollnir, wand of wishing, and a dragon scale mail as fast as possible. And a bag of holding and you get pretty far.
It's a fantastic game if you have a bit of imagination. The possibilities are endless and it's so rewarding to ascend finally.
I've always heard that one of the enjoyable experiences of Nethack was figuring things out for yourself, so I've never read spoilers. I'd like to know what others think.
> I've always heard that one of the enjoyable experiences of Nethack was figuring things out for yourself
Ehhh. I guess "enjoyable" from a masochism perspective? Nethack has a lot of very specific mechanics and hazards that aren't explained to you.
If you're just looking to explore, then by all means dive in. But if you're trying to finish the game (or even just, make something resembling meaningful progress towards doing so), you realistically probably never will without either reading guides or putting in thousands of hours wandering and dying.
To put it in perspective - many people have played the game with guides for years without ever beating it.
> I've always heard that one of the enjoyable experiences of Nethack was figuring things out for yourself, so I've never read spoilers. I'd like to know what others think.
You're crazy. All that does is prevent you from playing the game.
I'm going to quote myself from a blog post I wrote back in 2012:
> Nethack is incredibly difficult, and near impossible to win without some knowledge. Whilst it could be argued that one could attain this knowledge through trial and error, it would take many many playthroughs to make any headway, even if you played in the invincible “Wizard” mode. Whilst I would recommend the use of spoilers if you wish to make progress in the game and discover what it has to offer, I wouldn’t suggest reading up on absolutely everything to give yourself an advantage. My general rule of thumb was to look something up when I came across it. I still found the game incredibly challenging, as I was placed in situations that I couldn’t predict or prepare for, and I still had that thrill of discovery and amazement.
> My general rule of thumb was to look something up when I came across it.
That is good advice. Nethack “spoilers” are more like being let in on an “in-joke” than being told the solution to a puzzle or the ending of an M. Night Shyamalan movie.
Much as chess frustrated the great game masters like bobby fischer for being too easily "gamable" with opening books, I find that the mods for games like nethack, i.e. SLASHEM et al, make it where even if you try to spoil it, the massive amount of new content combined with the relative lack of documentation force you to git gud.
I don't know... I played Nethack 30 years ago a lot and always felt all the graphical updates were not worth it. There's something when you can easily see the whole map in one screen. And that scary pink h appears suddenly...
Yes, you can turn it on by setting the color option in your nethackrc file with the line:
OPTIONS=color
There is also a sophisticated option for customizing the colours of in-game menus using regular expressions. You can read about that in the section on menu colours in the official Guidebook [1]. Note that the official Guidebook is considered the game’s manual and is free of spoilers. Any information you find in there is intended for all players to know before they start playing (or to reference as they go along).
We pay per token in our company. It is not hard to spend $100 for one morning coding session. So thousands per month per programmer. The company finds it valuable enough to pay for, but if I ever paid these from my own pocket I'd look into DeepSeek et.al.
Cool. Just want to chime in that I wanted to see how quickly GPT-5.5 can turn this into a KDE Plasma 6 Plasmoid. Took about 10 minutes and two dollars, and now I have a nice QML app showing the same information in my taskbar.
Just wanted to say this because I feel it's really crazy that I can just do this today...
No need to bother maintainers, just package it up and upload it to the KDE store as a Plasma extension. Then it can appear for download in "Get New Widgets" in Plasma edit mode. Plenty of "lazy" widgets in there.
It's 1st of May here, so probably not doing it today. Looking into it a bit more when I get back from the parties. but it's basically just three files: QML for the UI, some python code to parse /proc data and a metadata file.
It's May Day, which is a labour holiday everywhere except North America commemorating the Haymarket Affair when American police brutally repressed striking workers .
In North America we have Labor Day in September to distance it from the historical associations with actual organizing and police brutality.
I would argue nothing about American Labor Day has anything to do with labor at all. Honestly we should just rename it “Summer’s End” because there is literally no theme. The ad flyers for the sales on that weekend have, if any perceivable theme at all, red, white and blue / Stars and Stripes for some reason. It’s traditional that school starts the day after it, but in many places that’s been dragged several weeks sooner into August for some sick reason.
We just don’t even have any holiday that honors labor, laborers, or labor unions.
>> We just don’t even have any holiday that honors labor, laborers, or labor unions.
That holiday is May Day but it's not federally recognized in the US specifically to hinder labor organizing in this country. President Grover Cleveland went with the September alternative proposed by one of the early unions because it was "less inflammatory" than May Day which was preferred by all the other unions.
> I would argue nothing about American Labor Day has anything to do with labor at all. Honestly we should just rename it “Summer’s End” because there is literally no theme.
Isn't that true of most holidays pretty much anywhere in the West these days? Sure, there's Christmas and Halloween and Easter that have specific themes, but excepting deeply-religious communities who practice associated traditions, they're as meaningful as cosmetic items in free-to-play games. But every country has a bunch of other holidays that most people don't know or care about much beyond knowing it's a day off.
You’re not entirely off-base. But I think that people do get that Memorial Day, in addition to being the most popular day to BBQ, is about appreciating those who gave their lives in service of their country (i.e. they died for us). Valentine’s Day is about love. But Labor Day? People say “well uh I guess it’s about…work? Which we celebrate by not working lol”
I mean they start school in August in many places now, instead of the traditional September, the Tuesday following Labor Day, a change which I think is dumb.
Did exactly this with the Sennheiser BTD-700 Bluetooth dongle. Found someone had done the work to create a little C library for controlling the dongle and with that Claude had created a nice widget for KDE to control my headphones.
We just use GHA as a simple caller, and everything is coded in nix scripts. The best part of this is how you can call the CI run directly from your own machine and it works the same.
I remember asking Gemini about that one famous 9/11 joke from late Norm MacDonald and it got really iffy about answering. Told it that hey I'm not american and in our culture it's not such a taboo.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/c/wc...
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