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This seems like the key.

You don’t suddenly owe taxes you maybe can’t afford when inheriting the family house.

You can afford those taxes when selling it for a massive profit so you should owe then. Likewise for realizing gains by taking a loan


Thanks for sharing your insights!

It seems like this workflow suffers the same problem as Alexa and Amazon dash buttons: consumers don't typically want the computer to just go buy things for them with no oversight. At least I don't.

Adding a checkout step would make this more plausible to me. "Agent, go find the most efficient dishwasher under $600" where it adds its recommendation to a cart, or even "Find me the best dishwashers under $600" where it creates a catalog page with its recommendations and an easy checkout process with whatever store is actually providing.


Seems like a bug. I had it happen (ads were playing and UI showed the premium upgrade nudges), then my Spotify refreshed and it went away again.

Annoying that it happened. Annoying that Reddit mods are aggressively removing the discussion. Annoying that HN comments here are immediately jumping to Spotify hate and the sky is falling.

Imagine if we all assumed every AWS outage meant that AWS was cancelled.

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The responses in this thread are truly disappointing. Spotify can be bad and have vibecoding issues and we can still have a rational discussion rather than just jumping on the complaint bandwagon and panicking. I guess at least eventually real comments rose to the top.


That can't be ... "Spotify engineers haven't coded since December"


Doesn't even feel like they've committed code since December 2023


Sometimes a bug is indistinguishable from AB testing


Not realistic but a remote work Uber driver is kinda an interesting (if dystopian) concept.


I'm semi-seriously expecting remote-work Optimus driving to be a thing in the near future.

Well, more so than it already is.

A factory in the US* staffed entirely by humanoid robots has the same impact on US employment opportunities regardless of if the robots are controlled by AI in the sense of software or in case where the "Actually Indians" meme still applies.

It's just that in the latter case your "illegal aliens" who are "stealing our jobs" are managing to do so without actually crossing the border, making it very difficult to deport them, and denying them access suddenly becomes a freedom of speech issue.

* I'm in Europe, I don't think we'll be tolerating "new" "exciting" "opportunities" from Musk any time soon. I don't think China or Russia will be either. Or indeed more than half of the G20 nations. He'll be told to prove it, and get told "no" a lot because experiments based on his rhetoric and vision are no longer worth the downsides without solid proof both that it works as advertised and that he won't cut things off when he has a hissy fit.


Wastes of time like this are exactly why Stoat/Revolt is unlikely to ever be a serious Discord alternative


Could you elaborate on this? I can’t tell whether you mean to say that open source projects run into user-initiated time sinks that detract from their productivity (which is arguably the case for any public facing project), or whether private repositories bypass this type of scrutiny by default which affords them an advantage, or whether this is about the Stoat/Revolt devs specifically and how they choose to spend their time.


I think the parent comment is referring to the fact that even focusing on whether ~100 lines of code across 3 commits should/should not be generated by an LLM is meaningless bikeshedding which has no place in a serious project.


Initially named Revolt then renamed to Stoat due to a cease-and-desist. Both awful names. (Granted Discord is not a great name either). In their docs and website you'll still find a mix of the new and old names.

The project is ~4 years old. Screen sharing is still a work in progress. It's been a while since I tested it myself but you can still see plenty of reports of it being buggy and slow.

Basically it gives of major bike shedding impressions.


I see, thanks for the clarification!


why? I think having a stated policy on LLM use is increasingly unavoidable for FOSS projects


GP might be hyperbolic but come on.

Common internet tropes include both "look at this forgotten jar that's been in the back of my fridge since 1987" and "doesn't it suck how much food we waste in the modern world?"

Nearly every modern invention could be dismissed with this attitude. "Why do you need a typewriter? Just write on paper like the rest of the world does."

"Why do you need a notebook? Just remember everything like the rest of us do."


The solution being discussed involves someone removing everything from their fridge, photographing it and paying for an LLM to process it into a database of sorts. Further, in order for this database to be complete they need to repeat this process every time something changes in their fridge. Also will the LLM be able to tell if my carton of milk is 10% empty? I do not disagree that food waste is a problem, but the solution seems laughably impractical, and the default (memory) seems far better suited to the task. I can confidently say that the net value creation is not comparable to the written word.


Oh don't get me wrong, the solution is lacking and is probably a worse outcome than just remembering.

But suggesting "Why not just try remembering lol" isn't really a valid criticism of the process. What you said here is a real criticism that actually adds to the conversation.


Great, so what's the alternative? What's the "properly engineered" protocol?


Email, RSS, blogs, even Mastodon protocol (it's not ActivityPub) scales better. Anything that only sends data between interested parties, instead of to everyone.



I don't understand how you can seriously pose Discord as an alternative in this conversation as it's entirely centralized and full of all sorts of toxic behavior and failure modes.

Like at least suggest old school forums, IRC, or usenet.


The GP didn't say Discord itself, but the Discord-like model of small communities. Ironically it's also the old web forum model.


Almost. The key difference is I can log in to Discord once and post in unlimited communities. The auth UX is excellent. Joining communities is very cheap.

We need an open protocol of this concept.


I can't help but laugh at the irony of posting this in an ATProto thread.

That's essentially exactly what they're trying to solve for although focused on the Twitter use case rather than Discord. And also one of the key advantages of ATProto over ActivityPub.


Discord is technically centralised but in a way that mostly doesn't matter at the point of use, and its design avoids many of the failure modes of old school forums, IRC, or usenet where moderator cabals take control of any community and bully lowly users.


how does it avoid that? i have experienced just as many power tripping mods on discord as i have on irc. the only difference to me is that i have never seen an irc channel with over 20 million users


By making it very easy for every user to start their own server, rather than the multiple tiers of ircops/server admins/etc. where some users genuinely do have more power (and/or a level of technical ability that becomes a difference in power) than others.


Looks exciting!

Does it have proper support for opening an external editor (via $EDITOR like nano, vim, etc?)? I ran into issues with that in Ink and had to switch over to Bubbletea, but I'd love to use Ruby instead of Go


Yes! While there's nothing built-in for that, you have full control over when you enter or exit raw mode, so your TUI can support opening an external editor. The TL;DR is you need to call `RatatuiRuby.restore_terminal` before handing off to $EDITOR, and you can call `RatatuiRuby.init_terminal` again to re-enter your TUI.

Here's an example: https://www.ratatui-ruby.dev/docs/trunk/examples/app_externa...

Also, if you enjoy Ink and Bubbletea, you probably enjoy MVU. If that's the case, check out the upcoming Rooibos framework I'm building on RatatuiRuby: https://rooibos.run. (Caveat: it doesn't yet have a way to restore/init the terminal, but I clearly need to make that happen.)


I know nothing about this, but bubbletea-ruby was in the news recently

https://github.com/marcoroth/bubbletea-ruby


Are there honestly examples of maintainers being shamed for that?


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