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> Seeing who is being laid off, especially on my team, it's the people who make things run.

How did the company decide who to lay off? They didn't even ask EMs?


Almost 99% sure that They hired a consultant firm (MBB) that told them who to cut; this is pretty standard practice now at public tech corps. Especially if EMs weren’t in the loop. This looks like purely a margin improvement exercise thats hiding weaknesses in the company’s financial performance.


EMs are never in the loop for layoffs for companies of this size, because the whole company would just get forewarning of the layoffs


Thats usually correct for these “surprise” layoffs. For the ones that are announced in advance there is a bit more coordination (like the meta/amazn ones).


At Amazon managers absolutely are not in the loop for layoffs. I would very much doubt they are at meta.


I’m sure they don’t know what they are doing or necessarily care, but I’m still curious what the consultants even claim to be looking at to make the list? Job description, git activity, team level profitability, salary, etc?


They probably claim all of it, but likely only job description.

"You have 20 guys that can code, so you can get rid of two of them".


Employees are treated as a cost which is why you often see the strongest performers inexplicably laid off (since they are likely compensated higher). In situations like this they don’t care about productivity; leadership is given a list and they can move a few people around but for most its game over once they’re on it.


Wow! Is there any good read on that, like even if a "YouTube" show or something? This is quite interesting.


If you know anyone that works at MBB they would be happy to share this with you; if you’re in SF just hit any bar for a weeknight happy hour and you will 100% find someone.


Yeah, honestly this is where LLMs shine since they were trained on so many MBA/HBS materials. Just remember to ask your questions in a way that praises neoliberalism and you'll unlock even more secrets about how they fuck over and alienate workers.


I really don't know. My org now has 40+ engineers with 2 managers. Down from 6. I really don't know how they will do it. Each one of us were handling critical shit, and desperately needed more engineers. PMs made things run and they got hit even harder

No one had any idea. My director got the same email


This style of layoff seems far more common post-2020 than targeted "restructuring". I've lived through a few layoffs now, survived most of them, but each time and at each company I've gotten by on an apparent roll of the dice and nothing more. Every time I've seen some truly important ICs get let go, their EMs having no input.


My boss had no idea layoffs were even coming, so who knows how they picked.


Companies have so much data on employees/products/customers etc these days the EM's opinion is just noise.


> How does a policy like that look in practice?

I used to work for a manager who would blatantly say "I will not hire a white person for this position". Of course, it wasn't an official policy to exclude people based on race. I'm pretty sure that would be illegal? But in practice, some hiring managers would sometimes reject or not even consider candidates of certain races. I've also seen people on hiring panels lower standards explicitly because of "diversity" (but to be fair, only when the candidate was on the fence of hire/no-hire).


> Russians knew that they live in Europe

This is not accurate. In the USSR and after its collapse, Russians generally don't consider themselves European. I also think this aligns more or less with how the rest of the world sees Russia if you consider the standards of living and the freedoms citizens have in Russia (e.g., no freedom of speech; not being able to freely travel to most of the world). On top of that, don't forget that geographically, most of Russia is in Asia.


Russia is a 100% European country.

> standards of living

Comparable and exceeding some countries in EU (e.g. Bulgaria)

> freedoms citizens have in Russia (e.g., no freedom of speech)

Some freedoms are there, some are not. Before 2022 it was similar to some parts of Europe.

Also, freedom is not synonymous to Europe.

> able to freely travel to most of the world

It is not that bad. 127 visa-free countries, more than e. g. Montenegro, Moldova, Albaina - all of which are 100% European.

> geographically, most of Russia is in Asia

This is a meaningless argument. Britan was 90% not in Europe in the year 1912. But no one would say it was not European.


European Russia is limited to Saint Petersburg and some parts of Moscow, otherwise it's mostly mongolian by culture since the times of Golden Horde


Russia is not an European country. It requires running water and indoor toilets for this. Also not being run by mafia.

The current conflict is going to break it up into smaller chunks sooner or later. I'm going to enjoy watching it burn.


Russians need a travel visa to go to any Western country and most of the world. Some EU countries are banned Russians from entering; the US is not issuing travel visas in Russia anymore.


US is actually quite good on offering entry to refugees from Russia. At least 30,000 people from Russia entered US through Mexico and requested asylum in US and many got it. The problem is that it's only option for basically rich citizens of Russia because whole process is expensive, hard and quite dangerous.

EU is much closer, but it does nothing. Putins regime could've lost 30-50% of it's high-skilled workforce if EU or UK just made it easier to immigrate. E.g literally 100,000s of Russian IT workforce left due to war and political situation, but getting actual work visas is hard process and outside of country of citizenship it's only gets harder if not impossible.

But honestly west can't even help Ukraine efficiently. How can one expect EU to actually do anything to cripple Russia economy...


> do i care that your vpn connection is broken by your oppressive goverment

Do you realize that the government restricting access to alternative media sources even more will result in fewer and fewer people in russia opposing the status quo?


FYI, some Russians who oppose the war get their information about the events from Ukrainian websites.


Why do some "white" immigrants who came to the US recently have to pay for something people in the US hundred years ago did?


It seems at the same time white employees are under-represented in tech overall (see Racial distribution of tech employees relative to US population).


ClickHouse is licensed under Apache License 2.0 and Yandex is incorporated in the Netherlands. What are your concerns with it being developed by russians (other than xenophobia)?


No, you're the xenophobe.

I'm concerned with there being a support issue, as well as a smaller user base also affecting support in the long term.


> de-colonializing their culture

Decolonizing from who? From Russia? Mongolia was never colonized by Russia, it was the other way around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Kievan_Rus%...


According to Wikipedia, the territory now called Mongolia was conquered by White Russians in 1920. Before then it was controlled by the Chinese Republic and before that the Qing dynasty (the rulers of which were ethnically neither Chinese nor Mongolian). In response, the Red Russians assisted Mongolian communists in conquering the country. The assistance included the sending of Russian troops.


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