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It is simply false that it was Merkel who decided to shut down nuclear power plants. The decision had been made over a decade earlier. She just accelerated the plan in the end after a previous unsuccessful attempt at rolling back part of it. It also wasn't even really her decision, it was the will of the people that sharply turned against nuclear after Fukushima, she just implemented it.

They wasted their first mover advantage by focussing on what amounts to building toys for consumers like Sora instead of actually useful products that go beyond simple chat bots.

I think they are in serious trouble, especially with the size of their cash burn. Their planned IPO could easily turn out to be their WeWork moment where the bottom suddenly falls out on the valuation if they cannot make their operation look more like a real business before investors lose confidence.


Agreed. They are pretty close to distress IMO. This cash-injection gets them to where, an IPO? I dunno, people might be spooked by then.

Will be interesting to see.


What happened to AI accelerated novel materials science and medicine? Meh let’s do TikTok slop instead ?

The EU is really more middle-of-the-road in most things, while the US tends to be more extreme: more really good ideas, but also more really bad ideas. But that is also the result of the EU being largely controlled by bureaucrats and compliance officers instead of real leaders.

Performance is really not Java's issue. Even bad Java code is still substantially faster than the bulk of modern software that is based on technologies like Python or JavaScript/Node.js.

This might also be why I heard colleagues saying “Nono, listen, these ‘N+1 problems’ and our nested service calls aren’t an issue because it works well enough” until it eventually didn’t. I’d rather not have bad code in any language.

Modern Java runtimes are pretty good, though.


They are not trying to buy developer goodwill, they are trying to catch up with Antrophic in terms of getting those B2B contracts, which is currently the most realistic path towards not running out of money.

1. The Register reports OpenAI is well ahead of Anthropic in B2B contracts. It's Anthropic playing catch-up, not OpenAI.

2. In any case, the announcement strongly suggests that customer acquisition had little to do with this. The stated purpose of the acquisition, as I read it, is an acquisition (plus acquihire?) to bolster their Codex product.

3. But if they were hoping for some developer goodwill as a secondary effect... well, see my note above.


More likely: "Can you believe they were actually trying to use LLMs for this?"


OSes and software engs did not end up using less RAM.


Measurable responses to the environment lag, Moore's law has been slowing down (e: and demand has been speeding up, a lot).

From just a sustainability point, I really hope that the parent post's quote is true, because otherwise I've personally seen LLMs used over and over to complete the same task that it could have been used for once to generate a script, and I'd really like to be able to still afford to own my own hardware at home.


How many times have we implemented Hello World?

I'm using local models on a 6 year old AMD GPU that would have felt like a technology indistinguishable from magic 10 years ago. I ask it for crc32 in C and it gives me an answer. I ask it to play a game with me. It does. If I'm an isolated human this is like a magic talking box. But it's not magic. It doesn't use more energy than playing a video game either.


Which models?



Thanks! I've been playing with some of the qwen models via openrouter as well.. I'll have to give 9b a go at some point, I've been mostly playing with 27b and coder-next up till now.


> Very pleased to see such performance improvements in the era of Electron shit and general contempt for users' computers.

Luckily, we have invented a completely new nightmare in the form of trying to graft machine-usable interfaces on top of AI models that were specifically designed to be used by humans.


I don't know, occasionally there are some funny results. For instance, I have managed to get AWS' support bot to start smack talking their platform and criticising its often needlessly complex and sometimes incoherent design before cheekily offering to help me make my relative simple setup even more complex and enterprise-ready.


They are solid and cheaper, but they don't offer the same level of control plane and API access as Hetzner that is really helpful when managing a larger number of servers.


I am very curios if OpenAI's IPO attempt this year will turn into WeWork 2.0 where all the air suddenly comes out of the valuation once the market acknowledges that they have no moat and lack a clear path to profitability that would make these huge investments worthwhile.


There’s a reason OpenAI and Anthropic are both trying to accelerate their IPO while still being wildly unprofitable. There is still unlimited AI hype in the market. If they go public this year the entire world is going to blindly buy them without looking at their books.


> There is still unlimited AI hype in the market.

I've observed a very different state. From what I've seen the sky-high expectations of AI have come down quite a lot.


It depends where I look. Among colleagues and tech-native friends, I feel like there’s healthy skepticism as well as the excitement about new tech. On the other hand, all the investment podcasts that I’ve been following for years are nothing but ignorant AI hype and reciting articles about how all the jobs are about to disappear. I guess the people who doesn’t make firsthand experiences are not leaving the hype yet.


Both groups will operate on a wide spectrum, but if we're already generalizing...

Perhaps there's a matter of competing priorities?

Programmers are usually quite cynical overall, but in this case I see it as a "My CEO is telling me _out loud_ that they want to replace me, so why would I help them speed up that process?"

Investors likely want what they're invested in to appreciate, so I imagine they're likely over-leveraged and are doing what they can to get their bag.


> sky-high expectations of AI have come down quite a lot.

they hype for AGI has certainly deflated, i haven't heard anything about that being right around the corner and the implications in a while now. The hype and doom now seems to be coming from software devs only, the front page news articles about AGI have pretty much stopped for me.

/"front page news" to me is the google news, US, Business, and Technology tabs


Microsoft’s AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman predicts 'most, if not all' white-collar tasks will be automated by AI within 18 months.

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-ai-ceo-mustafa-sul...


All these predictions already started aging like milk, for example "Former Google CEO predicts AI will replace most programmers in a year" in April 2025.

The hall of fame will explode with failed predictions this year.


I agree, but I still think is overall point is correct: they need to do it now while it's still smoking hot


There are at least plausible scenarios where OpenAI is a VERY valuable company in the near future.

There were not with WeWork.

The SpaceX/xAI IPO will be more interesting.


All of these things are vastly overvalued. Only one with tangible value is SpaceX because that's actually a moat-space. OAI holds no moat, has not done a good enough job to entrap their users, and has poor cost structure.

xAi isn't even a point of discussion.. it's just a scheme to rip off investors.

WeWork.. hard to take anyone seriously that ever invested in this bad boy.


Wework was a valid long bet that office properties would re-appreciate once the pandemic stopped — but now that AI is pulverizing the job market, any hope of that long bet paying off will require one of three things: a free-market boom in workers that require commercial property for success (e.g. physical invention companies like e.g. Saildrone due to not being able to homelab resins for safety reasons), and/or a market-wide rehiring event due to AI’s failure to deliver, and/or regulatory shifts in profit taxation and new business investment that trigger the above-described boom.

I know some commercial property owners in my hometown let their lowest-desirability storefronts sit vacant for twenty or thirty years (!) in order to prevent commercial property rent from falling across their entire portfolio. Turns out you can pay a lot of property taxes with not much revenue, and there hasn’t historically been regulatory pressure to pay an escalating “empty tax” to compel landlord pricing to behave according to supply and demand pricing models. Wework is still a terrible investment for an investor, but if you’re looking to bet long with no call and have the patient of decades, it’s not the worst plan. (There are certainly worse ways to gamble your money on the commercial property market!)


No land value tax == wasteful speculation. It’s been known for 120 years but obviously rich people have done a good job suppressing that understanding


> any hope of that long bet paying off will require one of three things: a free-market boom in workers that require commercial property for success (e.g. physical invention companies like e.g. Saildrone due to not being able to homelab resins for safety reasons)

That doesn't make sense for WeWork, though. Aren't they a rent-a-generic desk company? If you have any kind of specialist requirements (e.g. "processing resins") they'd seem like a bad fit.


Depends on how tall and ventilated your first floor is, I suppose!


SpaceX valuation is also going to be interesting. Talking about CapEx, SpaceX has deorbiting assets on top of depreciating ones. And without Starlink the space launch market size is pretty small.


> SpaceX has deorbiting assets on top of depreciating ones

The deorbiting part is redundant. Their satellite are just that, a depreciating asset. Their lifetime seem to be 5 to 7 years. The important claim is if the total cost, including the launch, can be recuperate over that lifetime or not.


> And without Starlink the space launch market size is pretty small.

The EV market was mighty small when Tesla started too.

Skate to where the puck is going.


Sure, but Tesla is doing a surprisingly poor job of capturing the EV market lately.


Absolutely.

But we’re talking about the launch market in the next 5-10 years, and it’s incredibly obvious it’s about to skyrocket


Is it? It’s less than obvious that the orbital datacenter boom will happen. Space mining could be a big deal but that’s not a foregone conclusion. Maybe someone will want to build a huge radio array on the far side of the moon, but I don’t expect hundreds of billions to be spent launching it — who would pay? Mars is less fashionable than it was a few years ago. Starlink is pretty impressive, but so is boring singlemode fiber, and the latter is increasingly being deployed everywhere.

(Obviously it will “skyrocket” unless someone comes up with a commercially viable launch system that doesn’t involve rocketing into the sky…)


There is Starlink and Amazon’s version, which both need many thousands of launches each (ignoring data centres)

There’s US military stuff like the starsheild, and it seems extremely likely china will follow suit.

Sat internet is changing the world rapidly where fibre can not be run. I saw it first hand in remote Australia, Yukon, Alaska and Africa. Not to mention ships and planes.

These projects are aggressively driving down launch costs, which increases demand for launches, which drives down launch costs which drives up demand.


Just as we had the other day: Competition is not market validation https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46961726

There is no doubt it is worth a lot in very remote destinations. But by definition there aren't many people there. Thus limited market size.

Launches for US military hardware is a market, yes.

Other countries are going to want to use/build up their own capabilities, so SpaceX won't have market access. Especially China.


The launch market is already booming. Denying that is denying reality.


> WeWork.. hard to take anyone seriously that ever invested in this bad boy.

Masayoshi Son may not be providing returns for its investors but he is providing entertainment for the rest of the world.


Yep, SpaceX actually has a track record as an actual leader and innovator in it's niche (that's very CapEx intensive to enter), it's not really a moat but it's a lead that no other entity seems to be closing in on (on the contrary many would-be competitors seems to have almost given up).

As for OpenAI, I'm not sure if Altman is an idiot or fraudster, claims about reaching AGI/ASI with scaling and investing in that fashion was always delusional at best or fraudulent at worst, maybe he just hoped to divert enough money to engineers to make actual breakthroughs or that the hardware would become a moat but competitors have kept pace, and I fully agree that they are mostly now only hanging on with an insanely bad cost structure now.


> on the contrary many would-be competitors seems to have almost given up

maybe the smaller ones; Blue Origin succeeded, and French and Chinese nu-space companies will continue to get funding for decades - national governments are capable of footing the bill of large CapEx projects. SpaceX competition is irreversibly tied to US foreign policy, and only scientific amd commercial launches are price-sensitive


> xAi isn't even a point of discussion

The reason GP said SpaceX/xAI is that these are now a single company.


xAI is ahead of OpenAI on the LLM Arena 'Arena Overview' for what it's worth. Not bad given they've only really been going for a couple of years.


Twitter is already dead as everyone on Hacker news knew. Nobody I know uses X or whatever it's called now, xAI? I'm looking at Musk going bankrupt and as soon as that happens Trump will be Impeached.


A recognizable trusted brand is a moat, look it up. OpenAI has that in spades.


I'm super curious to see if Nvidia turns out to be Enron 2.0..


They would need to have massive accounting fraud and lose public support. Unlike Enron, Nvidia actually sells tangible goods at a massive profit, and hasn't appeared to gloat over people getting screwed over.


> They would need to have massive accounting fraud and lose public support. Unlike Enron, Nvidia actually sells tangible goods at a massive profit, and hasn't appeared to gloat over people getting screwed over.

But what happens if they can no longer sell those tangible goods at a massive profit, and they gave return to their roots selling to gamers? When the boom ends is when massive accounting fraud could happen.



i think worst case they go back to selling GPUs to gamers. That would indeed be a massive front page story and movies would be made about it but I don't think the fraud is there. They have a pretty straightforward business, make GPU cards and sell them.


"They have a pretty straightforward business, make GPU cards and sell them."

They do, but that's not the (full) story here. Companies tend to easily migrate upwards, to a higher volume and/or higher profit margin market, and hardly (if ever) in the opposite direction. The painful restructuring necessary to enable this kind of reverse change is also damaging to the company brand, culture, and self-perception. If they ever get in such position, they may of course recover, but I wouldn't bet money on that.


Nah, not Enron. Maybe Cisco.


Yes, Cisco & Sun Microsystems are the better comparisons



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