Borglum was deeply inspired by the KKK as well. Not really a great part of US history. [0]
“Robinson had originally planned to include American frontiersmen like Lewis and Clark and Native Americans, including Sacagawea. But Borglum, eyeing an opportunity to make a national statement, dissuaded the historian. Instead they settled on the four American presidents, two of them slaveholders and all of them viewed by Native Americans as racist.” [1]
> Native Americans have always contended that the Black Hills of South Dakota belong to them, and that the sacred land was stolen after gold was discovered there. In 1980, the Supreme Court agreed, ordering the federal government to compensate eight tribes for the seizure of Native land.
I don't think enough people know this. Or know that the tribes refused the money saying they would only accept the return of their land. The money currently sits in an account gaining interest and is over a billion dollars.[1]
I personally hope someday this land is returned to them and Mount Rushmore is removed (possibly preserved as history if technologically possible) much as we do with Confederate monuments.
I always thought it was strange the way the Black Hills are said to be a sacred part of Lakota culture but they only held that area for not even 100 years between genociding off the origibal Cheyenne in the area and getting genocided by white settlers. Like how come their feelings about land they killed for mean more than other people who killed for the same land. It's strange how we treat Natives in this racist way where we ignore the fact that they were racist murdering people just like the Europeans.
All tribes were being pushed westward by white settlers and it inevitably led to conflict among the tribes. But Lakota definitely did not "genocide" the Cheyenne as is obvious by the fact that they still exist in Montana and Oklahoma.
And regardless, this has nothing to do with the US government signing a treaty giving the Black Hills to Lakota "forever" and then just a few years later driving them off the land. The US government itself says what it did was illegal by its own laws.
When you quote an article (good read though) verbatim, you ought to mark your text as a quote. It was a bit surprising to read verbatim your second paragraph while reading the article.
Posting from a throwaway account since I don't really like to draw attention to this in general.
I intentionally decided not to attend a university and instead work hard and learn in the field. Instead of CS classes I read the core works and learned concepts through building things and working with experts around me. There are amazingly smart people in every company who love to teach others what they know.
Over the course of 20 years I worked at fortune 500s, tech giants, and startups, learning and building every day.
Eventually I was given the opportunity to build small teams and learn to effectively lead people. Through lots of help from those around me and research about effective leadership, I was able to move up as I demonstrated execution and results.
Today I hold the title of VP of Engineering at a growing startup in the enterprise space. We're doing very well and I'm continuing to learn every day.
The message here? It's not for everyone, but a degree is a piece of paper. It may get you in the door, but so will a track record. You may find you need both, but you certainly need the last one to make a successful career in any industry.
I think the "piece of paper" question depends on one factor that few people seem to mention: timing.
I started my career in 2000, literally at the tail end of the dot com boom. I got my foot in the door right right before the door slammed shut for a little while. While I DO have a degree, it's not in engineering, math or any hard science. I got in because "Linux Systems Administrator" was so in demand, even during recessionary times, that it was easy to get in the door someplace. Then I was in a busy metropolitan area with an industry that relied on Linux/Unix (finance). For what it's worth, my state school cost under 6K a year, as well, with no aid.
Would I have the same luck today? I'm not so sure.
If it makes anyone feel better, your luck flips somewhat as you get older, the funnel gets tighter and you have to compete with hipster tech that people with 4-5 years of experience (and engineering/science degrees) have. Hipster technology (defined as buzzword tech) includes: some of the latest JS frameworks, Kubernetes/microservices, and more. However, in the enterprise world us oldies do quite well for ourselves as wisdom is recognized -- AS IS, circling back -- being able to learn new tech quickly. Proprietary environments with very complex systems appreciate those people and aren't deterred by degrees or hipster tech missing.
I actually withdrew from college to accept a job in 2000 for exactly this reason. The writing was on the wall for those who knew how to read it, and I knew if I didn't get an offer right away I probably wouldn't get one for years.
'The piece of paper' matters beyond that. Alumni networks are a thing. And people like to help their Alumni, because they hope to get the same in return.
If you don't mind me asking, do you think the same holds true for someone looking to work in another country?
I have just started my career in development in Brazil, without a degree. However, I was considering getting one in order to improve my chances of finding work in the US or Europe. Would I be better off using that time/energy working on projects and studying on my own (and accumulating work experience, of course)?
I can only speak about UK and Eastern Europe, but I think that holds true about most of Europe in general.
Dev work is generally very lax on academic credentials. Most of the time a great work record, open source contributions or other easily referenced work counts waay more than any degree you might hold.
Some startup gigs can even scoff on degrees, because it might indicate complacency rather than entrepreneurial spirit :)
It depends on the country. I'm also Brazilian and got German and Australian work visas without a degree. Most of Europe should be fine. I reckon for the American one you would need at least 12y of experience. The biggest challenge is to convince the company to sponsor you since a self-sponsored visa without a degree is usually quite tough.
I am actually living abroad now. I think the math is different depending on what country you are from though, choosing to be born in the US carries unfair advantages.
