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Automattic open sources Simplenote (simplenote.com)
111 points by onko on Aug 11, 2016 | hide | past | favorite | 40 comments


Simplenote was my favorite note taking app until it lost notes of mine a few years back.

I decided to give them another chance recently--hoping that these syncing issues had been cleared up--and Simplenote lost even more notes. It hasn't been dependable at all in my experience, and that's a shame because I love the interface and its focus on simplicity.

I'm excited that parts of it are going open-source. Hopefully the server will be made open so some of these core issues can be addressed.


Just as a counter data point, I've never lost a note and it's been very dependable for me for at least 5 years or so. Still makes me nervous though now and then.

But if you're worried about it you can set it up so that it keeps a local copy of your note library as well, just in case.


"Ditto". Longtime user (of the iOS app) and have never lost a note that I can recall.


At it's very core, Simplenote relies on a library called Simperium (http://github.com/Simperium/simperium-ios/).

In the past few months / years, we've significantly improved both, it's performance and reliability.

Sync'ing bugs are taken very seriously, if you ever experience any kind of glitch, please: just let us know.

We'd be thrilled to have you back with us!


Yeah, it's funny I had the same experience with Evernote. Erased some notes during sync and I noped out of there. Went to Simplenote, which has been flawless for me but obviously your experience shows that the service isn't flawless.

I just wish there was a note company who made "don't lose data" the #1 priority and built the architecture around treating that concept like a religion.


Same here, I would regularly have sync issues. Sometimes I'd see it happen while I was actually in the process of writing still.


Sorry to hear! Next time you run into an issue, please don't hesitate to contact support/file an issue on Github.


Definitely something we haven't heard lately. Every version of every note is saved, so if something goes wrong with a bad client you can always log into the web interface and look up the history. If it ever happens again contact support and we can look into the specifics.


The client apps are open source. Without the server side component that's meaningless to me.


I have implemented most of the Simperium server protocol in the `node-simperium` library (https://github.com/Simperium/node-simperium/pull/22).

It's definitely a very rough work in progress but I have used it successfully to deploy my own simplenote server that works with all the clients.

Simperium Server: https://github.com/beaucollins/node-simperium-server

It's in the proof-of-concept stage so it doesn't persist the data on the server.

Protocol for reference: https://github.com/Simperium/simperium-protocol/blob/master/...


> Can I host my own Simperium service?

> You can mirror all your data to your own backend, but it's not yet possible to host Simperium yourself. We're open sourcing our client libraries, protocol, and a reference service implementation that will allow you to host your own service in the future.

https://simperium.com/pricing/


Are simperium and simplenote related? I am confused. Both are by auttomatic it seems.

Edit: looks like simperium is some data stashing service (like firebase?). And simplenote is an app built on top of simperium. Did I get that right?


Simplenote is built on top of Simperium.

In fact, Simperium was originally created to provide the syncing features of Simplenote and then generalized to work as a service for anyone who wants to sync structured data.


How are they supposed to make money if anybody can build the same back-end and steal their customers ?


Simplenote is free, WordPress.com pays the bills :)


I was using SimpleNote for free, I wasn't aware of a paid plan and couldn't find one one the website.


No paid tier. Completely free


What if there's completely free and completely open source alternatives already?

"People will decide if they want to give Automattic money".


I hope this means that an actual developer API is coming soon.

Their developer page[1] still says "The current version of the Simperium API does not allow for 3rd party development of Simplenote apps at this time."

I'd love to have something like "Append to a Note" in IFTTT that behaves like the "Append to text file in Dropbox".

1: https://simplenote.com/developers/


Unless I misunderstand, this looks pretty much one-way street for me. What's in it for developers? The server's not open source, all this is is just a wrapper around their proprietary api.


The API is "open", the source code for the server running the simperium.com syncing service is not.

As far as I know, open sourcing the server is something Simperium wishes to do when it's feasible.

Simperium Syncing Protocol: https://github.com/Simperium/simperium-protocol/blob/master/...


I understand that, but I am talking about now. There's no point (other than marketing and free labor purposes, which is what I'm criticizing) in open sourcing their client app when the server is not open source. What purpose does it serve? I mean, how do you expect to use this code other than hooking up to Simplenote?

I remember this company called Layer, they "open sourced" their "messaging UI framework", and I first thought it was something like JSQMessageViewController where you can just take the library and really build your own chat app, but turns out it's just a shell to connect to their layer.com server. Again, what's the point? I can't help but wonder what's going on in these people's minds when I think of all the time they would have taken to clean up code and prepare to announce their open source.


Someone might feel inclined to implement their own server that is compatible with the client.


Simperium Server: https://github.com/beaucollins/node-simperium-server It's in the proof-of-concept stage so it doesn't persist the data on the server.


Someone that motivated would be better off building their own client as well. In case of Simplenote, server is the most important part, client is just a thin wrapper.


I hope that is not bad news, i.e., I ope that open sourcing the Simplenote client does not means less love from Automattic for the software. Search in the Mac version for example has had issues for a long time …


Nope! We just wanted to open source it, no alternative agenda here.


Thanks, that is very reassuring! :)


Would be nice if the Landing page actually include some screen shots, so i know what sort of App it is, instead of describing it with words and I have to dig all the info up in the blog section.


I really wish it had an offline mode. This would make an kick-ass NVALT replacement.


You might take a look at Quiver if you are Mac based.

http://happenapps.com/#quiver

This was covered previously here on HN.


I was introduced to simplenote via nvpy[1]. Found nvpy looking for a Notational Velocity clone for Linux.

I use native clients for simplenote on Mac and Android. It's pretty good.

[1] https://github.com/cpbotha/nvpy


As others have noted, Simplenote (in its various apps and platforms) works just fine offline. I work for days without a connection and then it syncs to the server whenever there's a chance.


I don't understand. I frequently use Simplenote offline and sync without issue when online.

Do you mean that you want to use it without initial account setup?


You can sync NVALT with simplenote. I use NVALT on the laptop, simplenote on the phone, a combo that has worked well for me.


What exactly do you mean by offline mode? No syncing to "the cloud" at all?


I undestand "offline mode" as to be able to edit a note without connection and sync later.

I use (and pay) Evernote because of this. You can edit and create notes while disconnected.


Simplenote does this.

These are exactly the features Simperium provides.


Does anyone else thing the company is Automatic (the bluetooth car dongle) every time they see this company's name?


The opposite for me – Automattic's been around so long I thought calling the car dongle "Automatic" was a pretty bad call.




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