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It's completely baffling how a little meme like this, which is in no way accurate, survives and thrives not just at large but specifically on HN. Can we track the meme's point of origin?


It's not that far off-base, given that most people don't understand the difference between on-package, where a component is bundled with the CPU on the same chip, and on-die, where a feature is actually part of the same litho process as the CPU.

There's really no meme to trace here; just a popular misunderstanding of semiconductor terminology.


The RAM is on-chip but not on-die... but most people (even developers) don't know the difference between a chip, a die, and a core to begin with. It's a pretty minor error, although such errors are a good sign that someone either doesn't know what they're talking about or is careless with terminology.


I’m not sure if the RAM can be defined as on chip but it’s on the same package.

A chip can contain multiple dies.

Usually chips were just discrete packages basically a die that is packaged for integration onto a PCB.

A die is just the bare silicon that has an IC etched into it.

With interposers and modern multi chip packages things are a bit more complicated.

Since the RAM dies are packages they themselves can be defined as chips too while the CPU needs to be integrated to the substrate first.

At this point it’s a question is the CPU+RAM combo can be defined as a chip on its own or is it a hybrid/compound package I would go with the latter.

If the memory and cpu dies / chips would’ve been stacked like say the raspberry pie one I would call it RAM on chip tho.


Why he like that.

Maybe it's a good sign someone is half interested and open to learning more.


If it's fair to refer to M1 as an SoC, then it's defensible to say the RAM is on the chip.


> Can we track the meme's point of origin?

Apple themselves are responsible for it, all their promotional material for the chip have included unified memory right alongside all the on-die modules

https://www.apple.com/v/mac/m1/a/images/overview/chip_memory...


Speaking for myself, this is the first time I've heard of multiple modules in the same chip. Hearing about it now and knowing generally how dies[1] are manufactured and packaged into ICs it's an obvious thing to do, but yeah never crossed my mind.

[1] dice?


It's cool, hey? How AMD (and others) are now doing their CPUs is a good example: there's often several CPU "chiplets" and then one IO chiplet on the same package. [0] is the first good search result.

Given what they've done with the M1, I highly suspect Apple will do something like that for their higher end machines.

[0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16148/amd-ryzen-5000-and-zen-...


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https://xkcd.com/1053/

I'm mildly annoyed by the tendency of some people to be critical while they're correcting (teaching!) someone.


What makes you think HN is that different from anywhere else?

And besides, memes persist much more readily anywhere where tribalism comes into play e.g. Politics, Apple vs. [Insert your OS here], Any Tesla thread etc.




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