Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Yeah, and with the HK situation it's only going to accelerate.

Mandarin really feels like a streamlined variant of Chinese, probably the classic lingua franca affliction. The tone system is also impoverished.

Hakka preserves some archaic features though, would be interesting to learn more about that.



Hakka's most obvious archaic feature is the syllable-final stops, as in Yue/Cantonese and Min. I know Yue dissimilated some of them (details fuzzy in my memory, possibly -t went to -k with a dental initial). I don't know of any changes to them in Hakka.

Hakka retains the -m final, instead of merging it to -n. It retains distinct 'round' and 'sharp' (velar and dental) onsets in positions where some Mandarin varieties (including Standard) merge them to the new palatal j/q/x.

The Middle Chinese palatal ny- is lost in Hakka as it is almost everywhere. It merged with r- in Mandarin, y- in Yue, and ng- in Hakka. So you can't read the archaic form directly off any one of those varieties, but you can detect it by comparing any two.

Hakka tonal developments are middle-of-the-road. Like every variety of Chinese, it had the four Middle Chinese tones altered by the voicing feature of the syllable onset, and like every variety outside of Wu/Shanghainese, it then lost the voicing feature itself.

Hakka splits the ping/level tone in two by voicing, like almost every variety does. It splits the ru/entering 'tone' (the syllables with final stops) by voicing, like almost every non-Mandarin variety does, instead of disintegrating it like Mandarin.

In the shang/rising tone, Hakka agrees with Mandarin against Wu and Yue that you don't just split the tone down the middle by voicing; you split off voiced obstruent onsets and leave voiced sonorant onsets alone. It agrees with Mandarin and Wu against Yue that the split-off voiced onsets (whether all of them or just the obstruents) merge into the qu/departing tone.

Hakka agrees with Mandarin against almost everybody else that the qu/departing tone does not split.




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: