>and I'm not really interested in hearing that my own experience with it working well is a lie or some trick.
Your own experiences with it aren't a lie, but they're probably based around ignoring the last 20-30 years of advancements, and ignoring many actual statements from the X11 developers saying that it's bad for remoting.
>Wayland gives up some things
Well in the case of X11 fowarding, no it doesn't. That still works.
>Also, those of us who use non-mainstream window managers (such as Window Maker) are not interested in hearing that we should switch to some UI which doesn't support our workflow just because it's more fashionable these days.
By insisting on using these obscure, non-mainstream and under-maintained environments you are setting yourself up for an extraordinary amount of pain for very little benefit. The more time you spend avoiding the issue the harder it gets to figure out how to adapt your workflow to something else. I'm sure you understand that more deeply than anyone else here. So why keep up with the charade? It is not doing you any favors. At some point we have to let bad habits die.
Your own experiences with it aren't a lie, but they're probably based around ignoring the last 20-30 years of advancements, and ignoring many actual statements from the X11 developers saying that it's bad for remoting.
>Wayland gives up some things
Well in the case of X11 fowarding, no it doesn't. That still works.
>Also, those of us who use non-mainstream window managers (such as Window Maker) are not interested in hearing that we should switch to some UI which doesn't support our workflow just because it's more fashionable these days.
By insisting on using these obscure, non-mainstream and under-maintained environments you are setting yourself up for an extraordinary amount of pain for very little benefit. The more time you spend avoiding the issue the harder it gets to figure out how to adapt your workflow to something else. I'm sure you understand that more deeply than anyone else here. So why keep up with the charade? It is not doing you any favors. At some point we have to let bad habits die.