Even if that was the intended meaning, it's quite an extrapolation that Red Hat is "growing hostile towards open source as a whole", especially since people say that of Red Hat roughly every two years.

They abandoned CentOS, created CentOS Stream which has its own set of issues, mostly you need to send an email to the actual package maintainer to remind them to update the package. And now the package sources are held behind a subscription portal.

This is being hostile towards open source. And as someone else pointed out, the reason we're mad at Red Hat is because they were built because of the open source community, but now they've shown that since their acquisition by IBM, their goals have profoundly changed - they are now seeking to be more profitable, if it's by IBM's orders or not, we can only speculate, but there is a correlation here and it's not just a coincidence.

No, that's not being hostile towards open source. It's being indifferent towards people who want all your beer to be free.

Red Hat is contributing upstream of RHEL in three different ways (actual upstream, Fedora, CentOS Stream). Asking for even more is nothing but entitlement.

> there is a correlation here and it's not just a coincidence.

There is obviously a time correlation, but whether it's a coincidence or not you cannot know.

And the correlation becomes a lot more murky if you consider that Red Hae was allegedly causing lock-in or being hostile towards open source when Lennart started systemd (and for multiple other episodes in the systemd saga), when they stopped distributing the broken out patches of the RHEL kernel, when they acqui-hired CentOS, etc. And also people gave Red Hat 3 years of life when IBM announced the acquisition. Perhaps y'all need to tune your crystal ball...

> Red Hat is contributing upstream of RHEL in three different ways (actual upstream, Fedora, CentOS Stream). Asking for even more is nothing but entitlement.

I heard that a lot of RHEL packages are actually built from Fedora repos, which are maintained by voluntary contributors. Did Red Hat ask those maintainers if they are okay with providing the source for their RPMs behind a paywall? They didn't, and some Fedora maintainers even orphaned their packages as result of this change.

Like someone said, when big companies use free software and give nothing back, business as usual, but when it's the other way around suddenly it's unbelievable that people are taking products for free and not giving a single cent back to those same companies that exploit FLOSS!

I don't understand how can someone back Red Hat and find it totally okay that a company that was built on open source and essentially became what it is today because of the open source community that it created, is now giving a huge middle finger to that same community that made them what they are today.

> I heard that a lot of RHEL packages are actually built from Fedora repos, which are maintained by voluntary contributors

Most RHEL packages are at least co-maintained by paid Red Hat employees. Bring numbers please.

> is now giving a huge middle finger to that same community that made them what they are today

Oh, give me a break. Stop hiding behind open source and just admit that you want the free beer. You want all the beer to be free more precisely. While Red Hat is not only contributing a lot back to the community, probably more than any other company in existence, it's giving away not one but two distros.

They're completely within their rights as stated by the GPL to do this.

They're also placing themselves into a niche; not sure if they care. Aside from production RHEL installs using the clones and not making them money, they're also trying to prevent people from running their distro for free to learn it. That will raise the price of RHEL admins, certified or not. And maybe reduce even paid installs.

That's their problem IMO. What I really don't like them for is supporting Poettering. Only yesterday I had to disable parts of systemd because it insisted on using dhcp on a network card I wanted a static IP on.