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I once was on a project that started out with OSM, but then realised there was nothing that compared to Google's Places API (might be different now) in terms of completeness and correctness. And your are not (or at least were not) allowed to use Places API on top of / in combination with OSM).

That's what you get when your consumer directed products are 'free' and thus widely used and thus lot's of stake holders ensure their place is correctly in their database (probably in combination with other, possibly community based, efforts).

We relied heavily on Places API and thus were bound to Google Maps API, we did just not see a reasonable way around that.



> That's what you get when your consumer directed products are 'free' and thus widely used and thus lot's of stake holders ensure their place is correctly in their database (probably in combination with other, possibly community based, efforts)

Would it be crazy yo have the government maintain such a database and make it available to anyone? It seems like the ideal place to join forces and avoid data duplication.


Well we were looking world wide so that would be a lot of governments. Having said that, here in the Netherlands I could see it happen, the gouvernement does have (had) quite a few open data initiatives.


Think about your interactions with the government, e.g. getting a drivers license, passport, filing taxes, parking tickets, etc.

Do you want those people managing something like maps or places on maps?


>Do you want those people managing something like maps or places on maps

Yes. The USPS is actually pretty good at it too. They even have their own API you can use.

>Think about your interactions with the government

My public roads, building codes, food safety, food affordability, stable power grids, advanced medical care, space exploration.

The government is plenty capable of doing good things, however people letting carefully crafted legislation, get passed or even created, that supports private interests is a societal illness, not a fundamental issue with government capabilities.


> The USPS is actually pretty good at it too.

In my opinion, the USPS is mostly an advertisement delivery system, and every once in a while they deliver a very important letter from the IRS so that you have to look through all of it.

I don’t know how we tolerate this federal system that is literally 80% spam advertisements


Yes, all digital interactions I have with the government, like renewing my license or paying a parking ticket, are generally very quick and easy. Filling out my taxes is not particularly fun, but that isn't the IRS IT department's fault, and the actual act of submitting them online is again very quick and easy. I have also had very good experiences with government public datasets (examples at https://catalog.data.gov/dataset).

At my job I use APIs from the EPA and EIA, and they are stable, well-documented, and generally pleasant to use. I can also email an actual human with questions and get quick responses, which I can't do with Google. I have no concerns about the APIs ever disappearing because the PM got bored or wanted a promotion, or because they couldn't extract enough money from users.

I think whoever manages these services would do an excellent job running a mapping service or Places API, although obviously it would be hard to get traction now that Google Maps is so established.

Some of the features that make Google Maps useful, like GPS and public transit arrival times, are already based on government services.


I have indeed paid my federal, state, and local taxes online, and it was not too terrible.

On the other hand, the USPTO patent database is nearly impossible for anyone other than a professional to navigate. Their search sucks.

Since you mentioned taxes: the fact that Intuit and H&R Block have successfully prevented the IRS from doing what nearly everyone wants: file your taxes for you, for free. For the vast majority of taxpayers, they could do that, yet the political pressure from paid tax preparers have prevented it, at least up to now.

And this illustrates the flaw with your starry-eyed Pollyanna-ism: no matter how honest & hard-working the bureaucrats might be, they're still accountable to corrupt pressures.

The 1950 census data, recently released, also sucks. To find one family whose exact address I wasn't sure of, I had to manually open about 50 strips of census taker daily records and decipher the hand-written names & addresses. Merely finding these 50 strips took more effort than nearly anyone would exert.

Their Search failed to find the family. I don't anyone could figure this out unless they were extremely motivated.

And last but certainly not least, let's look at the Obamacare website rollout, which got a Cabinet secretary fired.

So don't give us a couple good anecdotes and say, "look, the government works great!"


Those services work very well in many countries. In the United States we have one party that likes to show government doesn't work by crippling, defunding, and generally making government programs worse when they get power so that you pay private companies for those save services. Often times companies they have a connection with.


NASA, NOAA etc. do weather, accuWeather and others use federal weather data as the underlying source (and lobby and even install themselves in power to try and keep the government side less user friendly).


Using an example from another country, NZ's LINZ also has some great data: https://www.linz.govt.nz/products-services/data/types-linz-d...


In the UK the government sort of does manage a map that’s used as the basis of a lot of others maps called Ordinance Survey Maps.


Think about your interactions with Google, and the question becomes less clear.


In the UK, ordnance survey does this. It's better than osm for most things, and worse for others


In Australia, I believe Australia Post has an address API but I don't think it's free.




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