> Feel free to read more about literal US troops deployed on the frontline in the Baltics, and in Eastern Europe
I'm very aware, and again: what's lost is the trust that this means anything right now. Your government is fickle and spineless, it doesn't bode well to rely on it, it has cozied up with Putin through Trump so why should I believe those troops will actually be activated? Why, exactly? Trust is lost, that's a fact.
> Ok so if the US is cozying up with many far-right groups in Europe as well, that means the US and China are operating the same. Ok that's neutral.
I never said that, don't put words in my mouth, just this week it's probably the 3rd or 4th time an American here on HN tries to do that, it's quite tiresome.
I did say that the USA is not better in that term since it's doing the same so your argument is nil. If China is bad for doing that then the USA (which includes you) as it is right now has no moral stand to use that as argument.
> The US has threatened to annex Greenland, which, let's be honest was most likely an extremely poor, stupid, and bombastic negotiating tactic as the island is effectively undefended and if the EU is going to own it they need to increase defense spending there to levels that are satisfactory to the United States.
We don't care if it was a negotiation tactic, the end result is the same: you've threatened us, there's no friendship or alliance that survives that unscathed. It was stupid, don't you think these actions have political implications? Growing dissatisfaction with the USA means electing people who will continue the trend of decoupling, this "tactic" has consequences, and the consequence is to not be so deep into the USA's influence, you've proven you don't care about that.
> And while I disagree completely with the Trump admin's approach, getting really angry about that one thing, and then all of sudden pretending that is somehow worse than the Chinese helping Russia physically attack Ukraine is beyond bizarre to me. But maybe that's kind of the point - EU doesn't actually care much about Ukraine.
The EU has spent more money to supply Ukraine than the USA, Europe has been taking over the vacuum the USA is leaving after electing Trump because the USA does not care a single yota about Ukraine, on the contrary: your administration is led by someone who continuously praise Putin, and is very likely heavily influenced by Putin and the Russian government. Don't come with "no u" onto this.
You need to accept the USA as we knew before is over, there's no coming back from MAGA-adjacent stuff for generations, the seeds have been sown, your society is MAGA, like it or not. We outside the USA need to be prepared for this new world, and detaching from your sick society is one of the required steps.
Again, China is, at the very least, predictable. You aren't, go fix your house if you want that impression to be changed.
> I'm very aware, and again: what's lost is the trust that this means anything right now.
> Why, exactly? Trust is lost, that's a fact.
Actions mean more than words. Trust isn't binary, you can lose some but not all, gain some but not have full trust, &c.
> it doesn't bode well to rely on it, it has cozied up with Putin through Trump so why should I believe those troops will actually be activated?
I understand the current administration has taken, perhaps inappropriate in my mind, overtures toward Putin for a diplomatic solution in Ukraine, and we should continue to find a diplomatic solution, but as we haven't, we've continued to supply Ukraine with logistical support, weapons, intelligence, targeting, and we are even testing new weapons in Ukraine and working with Ukrainian partners on the ground.
> The EU has spent more money to supply Ukraine than the USA
This isn't a problem, nor have I suggested that America has spent more than Europe.
The war is taking place in Europe, there's 600+ million people in Europe and 180 million people or so in Russia. It's very natural to me that the EU would spend much more than the United States here. The fact that we have spent as much as we have (plus other methods of support) is a testament to our generosity and our commitment to helping our allies and stopping Russia's war of aggression.
> because the USA does not care a single yota about Ukraine
Yet, here we are supplying weapons, loans, intelligence, targeting and intelligence support, and grants. Why would we do that if we don't care? You seem to have a disconnect with what the truth is and what you want to believe to be true.
> You need to accept the USA as we knew before is over, there's no coming back from MAGA-adjacent stuff for generations, the seeds have been sown, your society is MAGA, like it or not. We outside the USA need to be prepared for this new world, and detaching from your sick society is one of the required steps.
We got over Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan pretty quick. Vietnam got over the war there from the US and from being a French colony. It seems like it doesn't take long for things to change.
> Your government is fickle and spineless,
> detaching from your sick society is one of the required steps
I'm going to ignore comments like this, but there's no need to say things like this. It doesn't add to the discussion.
I'm very aware, and again: what's lost is the trust that this means anything right now. Your government is fickle and spineless, it doesn't bode well to rely on it, it has cozied up with Putin through Trump so why should I believe those troops will actually be activated? Why, exactly? Trust is lost, that's a fact.
> Ok so if the US is cozying up with many far-right groups in Europe as well, that means the US and China are operating the same. Ok that's neutral.
I never said that, don't put words in my mouth, just this week it's probably the 3rd or 4th time an American here on HN tries to do that, it's quite tiresome.
I did say that the USA is not better in that term since it's doing the same so your argument is nil. If China is bad for doing that then the USA (which includes you) as it is right now has no moral stand to use that as argument.
> The US has threatened to annex Greenland, which, let's be honest was most likely an extremely poor, stupid, and bombastic negotiating tactic as the island is effectively undefended and if the EU is going to own it they need to increase defense spending there to levels that are satisfactory to the United States.
We don't care if it was a negotiation tactic, the end result is the same: you've threatened us, there's no friendship or alliance that survives that unscathed. It was stupid, don't you think these actions have political implications? Growing dissatisfaction with the USA means electing people who will continue the trend of decoupling, this "tactic" has consequences, and the consequence is to not be so deep into the USA's influence, you've proven you don't care about that.
> And while I disagree completely with the Trump admin's approach, getting really angry about that one thing, and then all of sudden pretending that is somehow worse than the Chinese helping Russia physically attack Ukraine is beyond bizarre to me. But maybe that's kind of the point - EU doesn't actually care much about Ukraine.
The EU has spent more money to supply Ukraine than the USA, Europe has been taking over the vacuum the USA is leaving after electing Trump because the USA does not care a single yota about Ukraine, on the contrary: your administration is led by someone who continuously praise Putin, and is very likely heavily influenced by Putin and the Russian government. Don't come with "no u" onto this.
You need to accept the USA as we knew before is over, there's no coming back from MAGA-adjacent stuff for generations, the seeds have been sown, your society is MAGA, like it or not. We outside the USA need to be prepared for this new world, and detaching from your sick society is one of the required steps.
Again, China is, at the very least, predictable. You aren't, go fix your house if you want that impression to be changed.