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So that's at least two linux filesystem creators who have gone off the rails; should we consider it a potential diagnostic symptom?
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I think the important question here is whether Linux filesystems are more or less hazardous than statistical mechanics.

(For anyone not familiar with the text, Goodstein's treatment of the subject opens with "Ludwig Boltzman, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand. Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933. Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics.")


The question is if developing filesystems attracts a certain kind of people or the act of debugging filesystem issues & being flamed on the kernel mailing list makes people that way.

I figure that folks working on printers have gotta have a much more frustrating experience than FS devs

Just look what happened to RMS when they refused to share the source code to his faulty printer. He’s been on a warpath ever since

Hi, I worked on printer firmware. It was fun! Printers are robots, when you get right down to it.

Now, when they downsized and reorganized and put me on the windows driver team, I left the company within a week.


Maybe the folks that try to use printers are more frustrated that the ones that designed their software.

My worst technology experience of all time was maintaining support for a Zebra label printer in VB6. I can assure you that the users of these printers had maybe 1% the cortisol response I did when something went wrong.

Designing software for a printer means being a very aggressive user of a printer. There's no way to unit test this stuff. You just have to print the damn thing and then inspect the physical artifact.


Worked on printer firmware, can confirm.

"If it looks good, it is good." was a mantra


A million years ago I worked on some code which needed to interface with a DICOM radiology printer (the kind that prints on transparency film). Each time I had to test it I felt like I was burning money.


no, because a broken printer is just a broken a printer. a broken fs is somebody else's important data potentially lost forever.

perhaps the suffering of the printer devs is karmically 'paid back' by the physical suffering of printers around the globe, thus keeping everything in balance.

You gotta be a little bit of a megalomaniac to think it's a good idea to write your own filesystem.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

So the reasonable man uses Ext4 I guess.


> So the reasonable man uses Ext4 I guess.

And the unreasonable one writes his own Unix clone... and ends up putting several multi-million-dollar companies out of business.

I know which I admire more, TBH.

But I use ext4, yeah.


something i have always observed, is how considerate Ted Tso's writing always is, but more than that, how consistent this property has been for so many decades.

its quite funny to me that ext4 very much mirrors him in that regard. its underpinning damn well everything, but you'd never know about it because it works so well.


> how considerate Ted Tso's writing always is

This is less true when T'so asks questions at conferences, of course.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/02/rust_for_linux_mainta...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiPp9YEBV0Q&t=1529s


Well, Terry A. Davis made one.

He was (is) also participating here on HN, and it was clear he's not, like, totally OK.

Idk. I don't think either he nor reiser were ruby devs.

who's the other one?


Hans Reiser, creator of reiserfs, who was convicted of murdering his wife.

lol I was having the exact same thought



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