> I think atmosx points very well written and neutral.
No. They are completely wrong or a complete fantasy. From things that are fantasy like "this is not good for ukrainians", or conspiracy-like talks about "big games by giants" bla-bla, to being wrong in facts like "west is using Nazis". Complete bullshit. It's not Nazis there, it's normal people from both, East and West.
p.s.: Russian medias are not biased, they are writing complete shit, from obviously underestimating number of protestors, to saying bullshit like "Ukrainian people protest against laws that forbid Nacism and Fashism". How biased you need to be to say bullshit like this?
- "big games by giants" - it was clearly stated by both sides that Ukraine is strategical point for geopolitics for west and east (you can easily found sources, Brzezinski as example), so no conspiracy here
- "It's not Nazis there" - it again easily verifiable that there are Nazis (just first West media from google [1]), you are trying to ignore the obvious here
- "Russian medias are not biased, they are writing complete shit" - I'm not familiar with all russian medias, only with some online news, and for them I can clearly state that they are writing not more shit that popular West media
Yes, Nazis are present there, sorry, you catched me on my words. What I was trying to say is that it's bullshit to say "west is using Nazis" (not sure what exactly is meant by "liberal west"). People who fight are not all nazis, not only nazis rebelled and bringing up nazis is irrelevant from my point of view.
I never stated that all the people involved are Nazis. No the presence of the Nazis is not irrelevant at all, it's the exactly the opposite: It's very relevant because it says a lot about the real goal of the opposition: Come to power no matter what.
I know that Arseniy Yatsenyuk is backed by USA interests and Vitali Klitschko by EU (German) interests. So it's a sort of a triangle, but these two for the time being are against the Russian backed current PM Yanukovych.
As for the "Liberal West". Theoretically the west (EU, UK & USA) are promoters of democracy, civil rights and so on. Both Klitschko and Yatsenyuk were in Berlin 24 hours before the massacre. So when Nazis with guns were attacking government buildings the two opposition leaders were embracing the move with specific remarks from "Square of Freedom". So there is clearly a link between the legal opposition and the extremist far-right (Nazi + other kind of) opposition. Of course, we don't know if in Berlin any decisions were taken, but then again you have to be a little bit naive to believe in this sort of coincidence.
In this and many others cases, the goals do NOT justify the means, because if the opposition uses (directly or indirectly) the Nazis today, no one says that they are not going to use them again tomorrow against their next enemy. It's simple as that.
The EU's stance is very descriptive: The first day they condemn the episodes (by the Nazi opposition), the next day announces sanctions against the current government!!! It's embarrassing: The EU wants the Ukranian government to stand down because they don't like it.
I'm not saying Putin is any better, but I expect the EU to be a lot better than Putin, China or Iran by supporting democratic values, not back-channeling and fueling war.
